Cub Playoff Loss Method

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · **Posted:** Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:53 pm

For the love of Christ, just be normal!

I played little league. You win some, you lose some. We were professional about it.

1969 - Something happened. I wasn't there. I was told to be mad about it.

1984 - We had it. 3 games, I'm going to call it a sweep for the purposes of this post, in SD.

1989 - The Rocky I of Cub playoff appearances. Kind of close but not really.

1998 - Braves sweep.

2003 - We all know. But, basically, Marlins sweep.

2007 - Arizona sweep.

2008 - LA sweep.

2015 - NY sweep.

For Pete's sake, be normal. Win a couple, lose a couple, and then lose. It's...I...jeez...whatever...

jimmypasta · **Posted:** Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:56 pm

I also have to throw in 1970....they were a lot closer to the Bucs in September that year.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · **Posted:** Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:57 pm

jimmypasta wrote:

I also have to throw in 1970....they were a lot closer to the Bucs in September that year.

My fetus agrees.

Jaw Breaker · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:30 am

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

For the love of Christ, just be normal!

I played little league. You win some, you lose some. We were professional about it.

1969 - Something happened. I wasn't there. I was told to be mad about it.

1984 - We had it. 3 games, I'm going to call it a sweep for the purposes of this post, in SD.

1989 - The Rocky I of Cub playoff appearances. Kind of close but not really.

1998 - Braves sweep.

2003 - We all know. But, basically, Marlins sweep.

2007 - Arizona sweep.

2008 - LA sweep.

2015 - NY sweep.

For Pete's sake, be normal. Win a couple, lose a couple, and then lose. It's...I...jeez...whatever...

That really is uncanny, and embarrassing. And as much as people want to have hope for the future, the sheer embarrassment of this Mets series stings quite a bit. People point to the lack of Cubs pitching, but they fucking laid down offensively. 0.164 batting average -- THE WORST EVER. And some of the WORST DEFENSE EVER.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:33 am

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

1969 - Something happened. I wasn't there. I was told to be mad about it.

48 years early.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

1984 - We had it. 3 games, I'm going to call it a sweep for the purposes of this post, in SD.

33 years early.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

1989 - The Rocky I of Cub playoff appearances. Kind of close but not really.

28 years early.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

1998 - Braves sweep.

19 years early.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

2003 - We all know. But, basically, Marlins sweep.

14 years early.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

2007 - Arizona sweep.

9 years early

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

2008 - LA sweep.

8 years early.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

2015 - NY sweep.

1 year early.

denisdman · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:43 am

2015- They won two series and lost one. I'd say they won some and lost some....

Hatchetman · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:44 am

A play in game is not a series.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Id say this year was the normal one. Not a choke or anything weird. They won one series playing very well and were exposed in a longer series (2 man staff) and got smoked

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:47 am

rogers park bryan wrote:

Id say this year was the normal one. Not a choke or anything weird. They won one series playing very well and were exposed in a longer series (2 man staff) and got smoked

To go back to the discussion yesterday, are you saying that the Mets are a better team?

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Id say this year was the normal one. Not a choke or anything weird. They won one series playing very well and were exposed in a longer series (2 man staff) and got smoked

To go back to the discussion yesterday, are you saying that the Mets are a better team?

I said that yesterday

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=2343090#p2343090

In response to the discussion you guys had, I can see both sides. The best team being the best team over the season vs the best team is the team that can put up the best fight in the playoffs.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:08 am

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Id say this year was the normal one. Not a choke or anything weird. They won one series playing very well and were exposed in a longer series (2 man staff) and got smoked

To go back to the discussion yesterday, are you saying that the Mets are a better team?

I said that yesterday

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=2343090#p2343090

In response to the discussion you guys had, I can see both sides. The best team being the best team over the season vs the best team is the team that can put up the best fight in the playoffs.

You said the Cubs got exposed though. Those same flaws existed all year.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Id say this year was the normal one. Not a choke or anything weird. They won one series playing very well and were exposed in a longer series (2 man staff) and got smoked

To go back to the discussion yesterday, are you saying that the Mets are a better team?

I said that yesterday

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=2343090#p2343090

In response to the discussion you guys had, I can see both sides. The best team being the best team over the season vs the best team is the team that can put up the best fight in the playoffs.

You said the Cubs got exposed though. Those same flaws existed all year.

No they didnt. Hammel wasnt worthless all year.

But my point there was a 7 game series exposed the lack of pitching depth in general. If they had first half Hammel they could maybe win a 7 game series. With only Lester and Arrieta its going to be difficult. In a 5 game series, you can win with 2.

spanky · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:11 am

I really do not understand the stress that (some) Cub fans are under because this team did not win the WS.
It was a fun, long season. I enjoyed it. 3 of these last 4 games were terrible, last night was inevitable so it was fun bad.

Rod · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:14 am

rogers park bryan wrote:

But my point there was a 7 game series exposed the lack of pitching depth in general. If they had first half Hammel they could maybe win a 7 game series. With only Lester and Arrieta its going to be difficult. In a 5 game series, you can win with 2.

Yeah, in the Wild Card era you have to have a minimum of three reliable starters. All the play-off rounds are just too much to get it down with two guy unless you have a whole lot of luck. I remember the Twins winning with pretty much just Viola and Blyleven. That's a lot harder to do now.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:19 am

rogers park bryan wrote:

No they didnt. Hammel wasnt worthless all year.

But my point there was a 7 game series exposed the lack of pitching depth in general. If they had first half Hammel they could maybe win a 7 game series. With only Lester and Arrieta its going to be difficult. In a 5 game series, you can win with 2.

So what made the Cubs better than the Mets in regards to the whole season was Hammel?

That is why I think it is silly to consider a 97 win team better than a 90 win team when the results in the playoffs indicate otherwise. Unless Hammel is a modern day Jake Arrieta he isn't making a difference in this series.

Rod · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:22 am

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

That is why I think it is silly to consider a 97 win team better than a 90 win team when the results in the playoffs indicate otherwise.

I agree with this to a point. Especially in the Wild Card era. Everyone is playing the same game and they all know the goal isn't to have the most regular season wins.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

No they didnt. Hammel wasnt worthless all year.

But my point there was a 7 game series exposed the lack of pitching depth in general. If they had first half Hammel they could maybe win a 7 game series. With only Lester and Arrieta its going to be difficult. In a 5 game series, you can win with 2.

So what made the Cubs better than the Mets in regards to the whole season was Hammel?

No, the Mets offense was terrible the first 4 months.

Im not sure what you're trying to get at here. I said you can make the case either way, so if you think this shows the Mets are the best thats fine.

I tend to separate the two (I think the 18-0 Patriots were better than The Giants that year. I think if they play 10 games the Pats win 8 or 9). But titles go to playoff winners and that's all that matters.

Gloopan Kuratz · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:36 am

Leon Durham does not get enough hate.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:58 am

rogers park bryan wrote:

Id say this year was the normal one. Not a choke or anything weird. They won one series playing very well and were exposed in a longer series (2 man staff) and got smoked

This was not normal. It was weird. It was a beatdown on a historic level.

They had the worst offensive showing in the history of NLCS baseball. And they were supposed to be a fearsome offense.

They never led a game for even a single pitch.

The only normal playoff exit was 1989 where they at least, in theory, were in it even though they were getting their ass kicked the whole time while everyone put Will Clark in the Hall of Fame.

Every, single, other year in the playoffs has been a lay down sweep of consecutive losses.

City of Fools · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:00 am

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Id say this year was the normal one. Not a choke or anything weird. They won one series playing very well and were exposed in a longer series (2 man staff) and got smoked

This was not normal. It was weird. It was a beatdown on a historic level.

They had the worst offensive showing in the history of NLCS baseball. And they were supposed to be a fearsome offense.

They never led a game for even a single pitch.

The only normal playoff exit was 1989 where they at least, in theory, were in it even though they were getting their ass kicked the whole time while everyone put Will Clark in the Hall of Fame.

Every, single, other year in the playoffs has been a lay down sweep of consecutive losses.

It certainly got progressively weirder, but I lay that at the feet of youth. It's obvious as the series went on the kids got tighter and tighter. Now it's time to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:03 am

And, actually, I'm giving 1989 too much credit because I'm pretty sure they lost 3 in a row to end that one as well.

In my mind, I just feel like they won the game where Lancaster threw a 2-2 meatball pitch for a 2-run homer to lose the game because he thought the count was full.

So, that year sucked too.

Hawg Ass · **Joined:** Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:00 pm **Posts:** 30328

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

And, actually, I'm giving 1989 too much credit because I'm pretty sure they lost 3 in a row to end that one as well.

In my mind, I just feel like they won the game where Lancaster threw a 2-2 meatball pitch for a 2-run homer to lose the game because he thought the count was full.

So, that year sucked too.

Dr. Ken pissed off meltdown in full gear this morning.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:06 am

Hawg Ass wrote:

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

And, actually, I'm giving 1989 too much credit because I'm pretty sure they lost 3 in a row to end that one as well.

In my mind, I just feel like they won the game where Lancaster threw a 2-2 meatball pitch for a 2-run homer to lose the game because he thought the count was full.

So, that year sucked too.

Dr. Ken pissed off meltdown in full gear this morning.

No, I'm done. I'm not going to dwell on it.

I'll just get past this year like I have all those past years that I hold no grudge against. I never think about those.

Hawg Ass · **Joined:** Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:00 pm **Posts:** 30328

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

And, actually, I'm giving 1989 too much credit because I'm pretty sure they lost 3 in a row to end that one as well.

In my mind, I just feel like they won the game where Lancaster threw a 2-2 meatball pitch for a 2-run homer to lose the game because he thought the count was full.

So, that year sucked too.

Dr. Ken pissed off meltdown in full gear this morning.

No, I'm done. I'm not going to dwell on it.

I'll just get past this year like I have all those past years that I hold no grudge against. I never think about those.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Id say this year was the normal one. Not a choke or anything weird. They won one series playing very well and were exposed in a longer series (2 man staff) and got smoked

This was not normal. It was weird. It was a beatdown on a historic level.

Teams get swept and beat down all the time. 2 of last 3 ALCS have been sweeps.

Compared to blowing 3-1 and 2-0 leads including stuff like Gonzalez and Durham's error or in 08 where they made 4 errors in one inning, this is normal.

I mean the Royals swept the entire AL playoffs last year for perspective.

Anyway, I never fully bought into this team being able to win it all. I might not ever. The last time I thought that was in 2003. Even in 08, while possible, it seemed unlikely.

I wish you well Ken

shakes · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:26 am

denisdman wrote:

2015- They won two series and lost one. I'd say they won some and lost some....

STRETCH!

shakes · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:30 am

rogers park bryan wrote:

Id say this year was the normal one. Not a choke or anything weird. They won one series playing very well and were exposed in a longer series (2 man staff) and got smoked

If you're gonna mention the 2 man staff thing for the Cubs its only fair that you mention that the Cardinals were without their best pitcher for the series vs the Cubs. Cubs caught a massive break there.

Nas · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:37 am

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

But my point there was a 7 game series exposed the lack of pitching depth in general. If they had first half Hammel they could maybe win a 7 game series. With only Lester and Arrieta its going to be difficult. In a 5 game series, you can win with 2.

Yeah, in the Wild Card era you have to have a minimum of three reliable starters. All the play-off rounds are just too much to get it down with two guy unless you have a whole lot of luck. I remember the Twins winning with pretty much just Viola and Blyleven. That's a lot harder to do now.

Diamondbacks too

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

shakes wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Id say this year was the normal one. Not a choke or anything weird. They won one series playing very well and were exposed in a longer series (2 man staff) and got smoked

If you're gonna mention the 2 man staff thing for the Cubs its only fair that you mention that the Cardinals were without their best pitcher for the series vs the Cubs. Cubs caught a massive break there.

Ive mentioned that quite a bit just not in this post.

But Cubs just have a bad back end, not injuries

shakes · **Posted:** Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:48 am

rogers park bryan wrote:

shakes wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Id say this year was the normal one. Not a choke or anything weird. They won one series playing very well and were exposed in a longer series (2 man staff) and got smoked

If you're gonna mention the 2 man staff thing for the Cubs its only fair that you mention that the Cardinals were without their best pitcher for the series vs the Cubs. Cubs caught a massive break there.

Ive mentioned that quite a bit just not in this post.

But Cubs just have a bad back end, not injuries

YOu should mention it in every post. That and the Wire.

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