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Leash is right. GD you don't have a favorite child?


I do not.


I think all parents (with multiple kids) that say this are not being honest.

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Remember, the trolling on this board only started when this ridiculousness started

Cubs/Sox trolling started long before that.


look back, I don't think it did

I think you can trace the trolling to the day Theo signed and walked on water

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Nas wrote:
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Leash is right. GD you don't have a favorite child?


I do not.


I think all parents (with multiple kids) that say this are not being honest.


don't project on me because you produced some clunkers

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good dolphin wrote:
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Remember, the trolling on this board only started when this ridiculousness started

Cubs/Sox trolling started long before that.


look back, I don't think it did

I think you can trace the trolling to the day Theo signed and walked on water

ya, jealousy is quite the green-eyed monster.


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good dolphin wrote:
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Leash is right. GD you don't have a favorite child?


I do not.


I think all parents (with multiple kids) that say this are not being honest.


don't project on me because you produced some clunkers

:lol: :lol:


No way most parents have "favorites".

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good dolphin wrote:
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Leash is right. GD you don't have a favorite child?


I do not.


I think all parents (with multiple kids) that say this are not being honest.


don't project on me because you produced some clunkers


My offspring are future world leaders.

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:lol: :lol:


No way most parents have "favorites".


Agreed. Sometimes it's over the top and other times you can't tell.

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:lol: :lol:


No way most parents have "favorites".


Agreed. Sometimes it's over the top and other times you can't tell.


When they ask me, I tell them I dislike them all equally

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after like a week in the majors I said Kyle Schwarber would be a HOF'er. I am just slightly less bullish now, but I will stick with my prediction.


In his rookie season, he became the Cubs all time playoff home run king with 5. He only trails Konerko (7) for most in Chicago history.


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after like a week in the majors I said Kyle Schwarber would be a HOF'er. I am just slightly less bullish now, but I will stick with my prediction.


In his rookie season, he became the Cubs all time playoff home run king with 5. He only trails Konerko (7) for most in Chicago history.


He's clearly not afraid of the moment. His confidence has to be growing. Schwarber is going to be great for a long time.

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Left handed power is worth it's weight in gold.

You live with the defensive shortcomings until the DH is league wide.


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Left handed power is worth it's weight in gold.

You live with the defensive shortcomings until the DH is league wide.

I am not sure it will be with the new commish, he has already stated he likes it the way it is.

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Left handed power is worth it's weight in gold.

You live with the defensive shortcomings until the DH is league wide.

I am not sure it will be with the new commish, he has already stated he likes it the way it is.


I think the DH, a balanced schedule and doing away with divisions is on the horizons. Top 5, or maybe 6 by that point, will make it in.


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DH seems like a simple way to add a little more offense to the game, which is what the simpletons who spend freely, want.

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Matches Malone wrote:
Left handed power is worth it's weight in gold.

You live with the defensive shortcomings until the DH is league wide.


You'll live with it, especially when it continues to cost you post-season games, right?


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Left handed power is worth it's weight in gold.

You live with the defensive shortcomings until the DH is league wide.


You'll live with it, especially when it continues to cost you post-season games, right?


If he's one of the major reasons we're in the post-season and he's "mashing" while there, I'll stomach it.


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Matches Malone wrote:
Left handed power is worth it's weight in gold.

You live with the defensive shortcomings until the DH is league wide.


You'll live with it, especially when it continues to cost you post-season games, right?


His defense is bad, but saying "cost you post-season games" is ludicrous. Without him, they probably wouldn't have even been there, and he was really the only reason they were even close in the Mets series (they weren't close, but relative to what it would have been without him, they were).

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Matches Malone wrote:
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Left handed power is worth it's weight in gold.

You live with the defensive shortcomings until the DH is league wide.

I am not sure it will be with the new commish, he has already stated he likes it the way it is.


I think the DH, a balanced schedule and doing away with divisions is on the horizons. Top 5, or maybe 6 by that point, will make it in.


Are you trying to get yourself kicked out of the Official National League Baseball Fans Club, Matches? :lol:

Seriously, NL fans love to talk about all the "strategy" involved in the game when pitchers have to bat. I think that's pretty misguided as there is just as much strategy involved in how long to leave in a pitcher for whom there is no imperative to bat. In most cases the decision to pinch hit for the pitcher really makes itself. The bigger issue in the non-DH game is trying to hide a hitter like Schwarber. I'm certainly not a fan of watching pitchers bat, and frankly, I don't know why anyone would be. But although I'm an American League fan, I do think there is something to be said for the concept that each player must play offense and defense.

Still, I think concerns about Schwarber's defense on an outfield corner are overblown. He'll make most plays. And I would submit that if Ted Williams had advised his manager that he did not catch fly balls and would be fielding everything to left on a bounce, he would still have played left everyday and he would still be in the Hall of Fame.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Left handed power is worth it's weight in gold.

You live with the defensive shortcomings until the DH is league wide.

I am not sure it will be with the new commish, he has already stated he likes it the way it is.


I think the DH, a balanced schedule and doing away with divisions is on the horizons. Top 5, or maybe 6 by that point, will make it in.


Are you trying to get yourself kicked out of the Official National League Baseball Fans Club, Matches? :lol:

Seriously, NL fans love to talk about all the "strategy" involved in the game when pitchers have to bat. I think that's pretty misguided as there is just as much strategy involved in how long to leave in a pitcher for whom there is no imperative to bat. In most cases the decision to pinch hit for the pitcher really makes itself. The bigger issue in the non-DH game is trying to hide a hitter like Schwarber. I'm certainly not a fan of watching pitchers bat, and frankly, I don't know why anyone would be. But although I'm an American League fan, I do think there is something to be said for the concept that each player must play offense and defense.

Still, I think concerns about Schwarber's defense on an outfield corner are overblown. He'll make most plays. And I would submit that if Ted Williams had advised his manager that he did not catch fly balls and would be fielding everything to left on a bounce, he would still have played left everyday and he would still be in the Hall of Fame.


When I was a kid I was the full blown "NL ball is better than the AL" type fan. I've matured.

I agree with you about Schwarber. He'll be fine out there if that's where you have to play him at least until his early 30's. The only other thing that would force your hand is if the guy Kung Fu Panda's himself with his waistline.


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I haven't matured, still like the National League way.

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is it just me or pitchers nowadays can't handle the bat at all? they don't even bother to teach them to bunt.

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I haven't matured, still like the National League way.


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I am and have always been a "one or the other but both leagues are the same" guy


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
Left handed power is worth it's weight in gold.

You live with the defensive shortcomings until the DH is league wide.

I am not sure it will be with the new commish, he has already stated he likes it the way it is.


I think the DH, a balanced schedule and doing away with divisions is on the horizons. Top 5, or maybe 6 by that point, will make it in.


Are you trying to get yourself kicked out of the Official National League Baseball Fans Club, Matches? :lol:

Seriously, NL fans love to talk about all the "strategy" involved in the game when pitchers have to bat. I think that's pretty misguided as there is just as much strategy involved in how long to leave in a pitcher for whom there is no imperative to bat. In most cases the decision to pinch hit for the pitcher really makes itself. The bigger issue in the non-DH game is trying to hide a hitter like Schwarber. I'm certainly not a fan of watching pitchers bat, and frankly, I don't know why anyone would be. But although I'm an American League fan, I do think there is something to be said for the concept that each player must play offense and defense.

Still, I think concerns about Schwarber's defense on an outfield corner are overblown. He'll make most plays. And I would submit that if Ted Williams had advised his manager that he did not catch fly balls and would be fielding everything to left on a bounce, he would still have played left everyday and he would still be in the Hall of Fame.


That's sort of how I see it... with all guys having to do both. I always enjoyed seeing a guy like Greg Maddux who could help himself out... it's just one more thing that made him great and gave him an advantage over his opponent.

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I agree. And that should certainly have been ironed out prior to the advent of interleague play. I realize it's an issue for a Player's Union that is loathe to give up what is often a relatively large DH salary. But there has to be a compromise there somewhere. Expand the rosters to 27 in exchange for eliminating the DH. That would also allow teams to carry more pitchers in an era when it appears to be necessary in spite of low run scoring.

But I suspect a change would go the other way, with the NL adopting the DH. There's obviously going to be a cry for more offense. I think the complete elimination of the DH would be antithetical to addressing those concerns. Or at least perceived that way. I still believe the best way to address the low offense is to expand the strike zone to its rulebook definition so hitters are forced to swing the bat. Batters reach safely on one-third of all batted balls. Guys aren't striking out at record levels because modern batters have worse eyes. They strike out more because they are getting themselves in more bad counts by taking pitches. Whereas there was long a stigma to striking out, the modern stigma is to swinging too soon in the count and making a quick out. I saw Castro criticized on this very board the other night for crushing the first pitch he saw because David Wright made an outstanding play. As if Castro should be up there trying to "see" pitches rather than trying to hit the baseball.

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Both leagues need to be the same. Either both have the DH or neither have it. That has always seemed stupid to me.

It would be like the Eastern Conf in the NBA not having the 3 pt line and the Western Conf having it. Then in the finals you have it for part of the series and don't have it for the rest.

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is it just me or pitchers nowadays can't handle the bat at all? they don't even bother to teach them to bunt.

That's because idiot Dad's start DH'ing for them in little league. Hey lets make the best player on the team a pitcher only. Brilliant!


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Both leagues need to be the same. Either both have the DH or neither have it. That has always seemed stupid to me.

It would be like the Eastern Conf in the NBA not having the 3 pt line and the Western Conf having it. Then in the finals you have it for part of the series and don't have it for the rest.


Yeah, but there's tradition in baseball. The leagues were always two completely separate entities. That's unlike the NBA or even the NFL where the old AFL was absorbed rather than maintained with it's champion playing the champion of the other league.

I'm not saying that should be a barrier to any changes in this day and age. You've already crossed the Rubicon with interleague play and- less discussed but more important- the homogenization of the umpiring crews/standardization of the strikezone.

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I am and have always been a "one or the other but both leagues are the same" guy


All pitchers should bat. Guys shouldn't be able to intentionally hit batters without facing the same consequences.

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I realize it's an issue for a Player's Union that is loathe to give up what is often a relatively large DH salary. .


There's no way the union lets the DH go away. Like you said, those are big salaries. An aging hitter can make much more money than an aging pitcher. Hell, Ortiz might have been out the league years ago with no DH.


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