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I told you why. I am a religious guy. I study my religion. I pray, meditate, think about things. I believe God's intention was that man be a father and a husband. Now there may be some exceptions, maybe not 100% of men were put on earth for that, but most were.

There are some terrific humanitarians out there who go out and save the world or give up their lives for others. That's OK too. God's cool with that.


I met you before so I know that I'm nowhere near as religious as you are. That being said I'm confident my relationship with God is solid. I think your statement is very simple. I believe for most people you are who you are. Marriage/kids and other life events may cause some people to "change" who they are but for the majority of people I don't any of those things matter.

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I told you why. I am a religious guy. I study my religion. I pray, meditate, think about things. I believe God's intention was that man be a father and a husband. Now there may be some exceptions, maybe not 100% of men were put on earth for that, but most were.

There are some terrific humanitarians out there who go out and save the world or give up their lives for others. That's OK too. God's cool with that.


What about the gheys???


They can all get married now and they can still adopt or have their own kids.

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Marriage/kids and other life events may cause some people to "change" who they are but for the majority of people I don't any of those things matter.


A girl is not a woman is not a mother. A boy is not a man is not a father. A calf is not a cow.

I don't understand what you are saying.

If I meet my maker some day and he asks "what did you do with the life I gave you?", I will beg his mercy for being less than I should have been but say "Father I tried to raise my children to love you as I do." What more could I say?

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Marriage/kids and other life events may cause some people to "change" who they are but for the majority of people I don't any of those things matter.


A girl is not a woman is not a mother. A boy is not a man is not a father. A calf is not a cow.

I don't understand what you are saying.

If I meet my maker some day and he asks "what did you do with the life I gave you?", I will beg his mercy for being less than I should have been but say "Father I tried to raise my children to love you as I do." What more could I say?


So if you didn't have a wife and children you wouldn't be the man you are today? What do you say to the men and women who go into the church without any of those experiences? Even though they are serving God will he judge them differently than you because you got married and procreated?

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So if you didn't have a wife and children you wouldn't be the man you are today? What do you say to the men and women who go into the church without any of those experiences? Even though they are serving God will he judge them differently than you because you got married and procreated?


My wife and kids are the only reason I exist. I'd have probably offed myself a long time ago without them (mortal sin).

If you have examined your life and you love God and tried your hardest to ascertain what God was asking of you and you attempted fully to do so, I am sure he will have mercy.

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How does God feel about the impotent and those who lost their genitalia in a farm machinery accident?

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“Not all men are able to do this, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are some men who from birth will never be able to have children. There are some men who have been made so by men. There are some men who have had themselves made that way because of the holy nation of heaven. The one who is able to do this, let him do it.”

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My wife and kids are the only reason I exist.


If we're doing amateur catechism hour, let's note that this sentence despises, among other things, the Fifth Commandment.

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more importantly the 1st commandment, but I never claimed to be perfect. though if push comes to shove I'd choose God over anything.

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How does God feel about the impotent and those who lost their genitalia in a farm machinery accident?


They're cut off ...

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more importantly the 1st commandment, but I never claimed to be perfect. though if push comes to shove I'd choose God over anything.


Everything breaks the First one. #s 2-10 are kind of parenthetical finer points of #1.

Nobody chooses God over anything; that's kind of sin's claim to fame ... moving to Christs salvific works leading to our Justification, etc.

How did we get from an idiot article to this anyway? We're a weird group.

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Hatchetman and Seacrest should get together and go bowling.



I don't do bowling.

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well, the problem is figuring out what, exactly, God wants you to do. should I sell everything I own to give it all to the poor? but then I might raise deeply disturbed children who turn away from God altogether. that's no good either.

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I don't do bowling.


Phew. I'm glad you finally showed up. Tired of beating off all these guys by myself..... much as they seem to enjoy it.

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So if you didn't have a wife and children you wouldn't be the man you are today?

No, he would not because that is the life he chose based upon his discernment of God's plan for him.

What do you say to the men and women who go into the church without any of those experiences?

There experiences are not the same as his.

Even though they are serving God will he judge them differently than you because you got married and procreated?

I certainly hope he judges them based on His plan for them, and not based upon what God wanted from someone else. And I'm sure that is exactly what He will do.



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A man's identity is defined by his family....he is a husband and a father and that's ALL there really is.

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A man's identity is defined by his family....he is a husband and a father and that's ALL there really is.

If you have 1 out of 2 and you had the 1 while you were married but then had to kick her to the curb, am I doing alright?

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A man's identity is defined by his family....he is a husband and a father and that's ALL there really is.

If you have 1 out of 2 and you had the 1 while you were married but then had to kick her to the curb, am I doing alright?


You have to wait and find out.

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A man's identity is defined by his family....he is a husband and a father and that's ALL there really is.

had to kick her


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A man's identity is defined by his family....he is a husband and a father and that's ALL there really is.

If you have 1 out of 2 and you had the 1 while you were married but then had to kick her to the curb, am I doing alright?


You have to wait and find out.

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So if you didn't have a wife and children you wouldn't be the man you are today?

No, he would not because that is the life he chose based upon his discernment of God's plan for him.

What do you say to the men and women who go into the church without any of those experiences?

There experiences are not the same as his.

Even though they are serving God will he judge them differently than you because you got married and procreated?

I certainly hope he judges them based on His plan for them, and not based upon what God wanted from someone else. And I'm sure that is exactly what He will do.




From the quote I just posted there was absolutely no wiggle room. He didn't say "my" he said all men.

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A man's identity is defined by his family....he is a husband and a father and that's ALL there really is.

If you have 1 out of 2 and you had the 1 while you were married but then had to kick her to the curb, am I doing alright?


You have to wait and find out.

Uh oh


It's worth the wait. He may take into account the other things that you have done with your life but I doubt it.

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So if you didn't have a wife and children you wouldn't be the man you are today?

No, he would not because that is the life he chose based upon his discernment of God's plan for him.

What do you say to the men and women who go into the church without any of those experiences?

There experiences are not the same as his.

Even though they are serving God will he judge them differently than you because you got married and procreated?

I certainly hope he judges them based on His plan for them, and not based upon what God wanted from someone else. And I'm sure that is exactly what He will do.




From the quote I just posted there was absolutely no wiggle room. He didn't say "my" he said all men.



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God told me so. maybe he tells you otherwise.


I don't see an absolute there.

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I did not say "all men" I said "a man's." Regardless, I believe this to be true for the vast majority of men.

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ZZ- modern man, man's man, or some other type of man? If other, what type?

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The statement was modified later on. The one that's in bold is pretty clear. If he used said "my identity" I would have had no reason to ask a question.

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Hatchetman and Seacrest should get together and go bowling.



I don't do bowling.


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Tired of beating off all these guys by myself.


It can be exhausting.

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Hatchetman and Seacrest should get together and go bowling.



I don't do bowling.


Panther can tell you what ball to get, and I will help you with your game.



I have a bad back from time doing arduous union labor.

I will shoot guns with you both as long as Panther stays in front of me.

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