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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:58 am 
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here's one. I'm looking at a job that will double my commute but pay me more money and could have better long-term growth potential. should I take it or not? (if they were to offer it).

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God's Will is about choosing right over wrong. It's really that simple. Unfortunately morality isn't black and white.



If morality comes from God, when is it not black and white?

Morality doesn't come from God, would be the obvious answer.



So where did morality come from then?

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God's Will is about choosing right over wrong. It's really that simple. Unfortunately morality isn't black and white.



If morality comes from God, when is it not black and white?
There are many times where right and wrong isn't clear. It looks like even Hatchetman agrees with me.


So, what is an example of morality not being clear?


And we're off.

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Seacrest wrote:
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God's Will is about choosing right over wrong. It's really that simple. Unfortunately morality isn't black and white.



If morality comes from God, when is it not black and white?

Morality doesn't come from God, would be the obvious answer.



So where did morality come from then?

Philosophers argue about that daily. I don't believe there is a right or wrong opinion. I realize you disagree.

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here's one. I'm looking at a job that will double my commute but pay me more money and could have better long-term growth potential. should I take it or not? (if they were to offer it).



How is that a moral decision?

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Seacrest: if you were in a situation where you and your family were being held hostage by terrorists, and all of you could be set free if you gave up classified information that could potentially harm or even cause death to 100 Americans, would it be morally correct to give up the information?

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God's Will is about choosing right over wrong. It's really that simple. Unfortunately morality isn't black and white.



If morality comes from God, when is it not black and white?

Morality doesn't come from God, would be the obvious answer.



So where did morality come from then?

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Philosophers argue about that daily. I don't believe there is a right or wrong opinion. I realize you disagree.



I think that we can agree that some philosophers still argue about that. Many do not.

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I think we can all work together by setting aside the "where it came from." that doesn't lead anywhere anyway.

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it's a moral decision because it has to do with what is right vs. wrong. is 5 hours more family time worth $1000, $100000, $bazillion??? Infinity??

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Philosophers argue about that daily. I don't believe there is a right or wrong opinion. I realize you disagree.



I think that we can agree that some philosophers still argue about that. Many do not.

The vast majority still do. There's no clear-cut answer. Psycory and TM are in academic settings daily... maybe they can chime in here.

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I think we can all work together by setting aside the "where it came from." that doesn't lead anywhere anyway.

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it's a moral decision because it has to do with what is right vs. wrong. is 5 hours more family time worth $1000, $100000, $bazillion??? Infinity??



We can all work better together by acknowledging our different ideas and their origins, rather than trying to pretend that they do not exist. Contemporary college philosophy courses are an excellent example of this.

How does your family feel about the extra time away?

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Philosophers argue about that daily. I don't believe there is a right or wrong opinion. I realize you disagree.



I think that we can agree that some philosophers still argue about that. Many do not.

The vast majority still do. There's no clear-cut answer. Psycory and TM are in academic settings daily... maybe they can chime in here.



There are many philosophers that have discovered clear cut answers.

While I acknowledge it is incredibly difficult to find Thomistic or Augustinian philosophy on many college campuses today, that doesn't mean it is not easily discovered and studied.

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How does your family feel about the extra time away?


well, I don't think they will like it very much, but they don't much like going to church either. :lol:

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I think we can all work together by setting aside the "where it came from." that doesn't lead anywhere anyway.

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it's a moral decision because it has to do with what is right vs. wrong. is 5 hours more family time worth $1000, $100000, $bazillion??? Infinity??



We can all work better together by acknowledging our different ideas and their origins, rather than trying to pretend that they do not exist. Contemporary college philosophy courses are an excellent example of this.

How does your family feel about the extra time away?


They don't want him to spend more time away from the family but they could use the extra income.

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Stealing is generally considered immoral but there are times when it is needed for survival.

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I think that we can agree that some philosophers still argue about that. Many do not.


Which philosophers are those? Name names.

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Seacrest: if you were in a situation where you and your family were being held hostage by terrorists, and all of you could be set free if you gave up classified information that could potentially harm or even cause death to 100 Americans, would it be morally correct to give up the information?



I'll let you know if it ever happens to me.

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I think that we can agree that some philosophers still argue about that. Many do not.


Which philosophers are those? Name names.



Here is 200 for you

http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=1294

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Stealing is generally considered immoral but there are times when it is needed for survival.


Then it's not stealing in those instances.

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I think that we can agree that some philosophers still argue about that. Many do not.


Which philosophers are those? Name names.



Here is 200 for you


Ok...

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I think that we can agree that some philosophers still argue about that. Many do not.


Which philosophers are those? Name names.



Here is 200 for you


Ok...


http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=1294

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Stealing is generally considered immoral but there are times when it is needed for survival.


Then it's not stealing in those instances.


To the person you took from it is.

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Nas wrote:
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Stealing is generally considered immoral but there are times when it is needed for survival.


Then it's not stealing in those instances.


To the person you took from it is.


Fair enough. They should take from the 1 per centers then.

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I think ya'll have had enough cracks at my opinion as to how a man's identity should be defined. Anyone else care to give their OPINION?

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I think ya'll have had enough cracks at my opinion as to how a man's identity should be defined. Anyone else care to give their OPINION?

By being 40.

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I think ya'll have had enough cracks at my opinion as to how a man's identity should be defined. Anyone else care to give their OPINION?


By his actions

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Seacrest: if you were in a situation where you and your family were being held hostage by terrorists, and all of you could be set free if you gave up classified information that could potentially harm or even cause death to 100 Americans, would it be morally correct to give up the information?


invalid question because you wouldnt say shit knowing the terrorists would just rape and kill you anyway

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I think ya'll have had enough cracks at my opinion as to how a man's identity should be defined. Anyone else care to give their OPINION?


Who are you?

The most basic question humanity asks and the basis for all education that follows.

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I think ya'll have had enough cracks at my opinion as to how a man's identity should be defined. Anyone else care to give their OPINION?


By his actions and the way he treats others, including those he disagres with.

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By his actions


that doesn't tell me anything. what actions are most important?

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By his actions


that doesn't tell me anything. what actions are most important?


All of them. You are what you repeatedly do.

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