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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:33 pm 
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This has always bothered me.

For all the states that are called "Midwest", which includes Illinois, it's just not the case. The states that are called midwest are closer to NY than they are LA. So we are Mideast. We have a midwest designation, so you would think we would have a mideast designation in this country, but we don't.

It's clear who is "Midwest". The states just west of Missouri, Iowa and Minnesota are Midwest. Not Illlinois, Wisconsin, Iowa and Minnesota. Certainly not Michigan which is also considered midwest.

Why are we so dumb? Why has this been the case for years.

If you have a midwest, you must have a mideast. We don't. And what's called midwest, isn't. Fuck!!!!

Here is the official designation of midwestern states of America. Fuckin Ohio is considered midwest. Why? Its border touches Pennsylvania.

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You just realized this?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:39 pm 
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No. Has bothered me since I was 10.


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http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extnews/newsre ... plains.htm

"I may not know who I am," Wallace Stegner once wrote, "but I know where I came from." He knew how important it is to situate yourself. This is what he called "the sense of place."

Unfortunately, many people of the Great Plains are not so clear about the sense of place as was Stegner. Sharon Butala, who lives and writes near Stegner's old home of Eastend, Saskatchewan, told me she wrote an essay to be included in a new book being published in Canada, and she referred to her home country as "the Great Plains." The publisher had the essay reviewed by an academic in Winnipeg who insisted she could not call her own country "the Great Plains"—that the only appropriate term in Canada was "the Prairies."

This was odd, as it was Henry Kelsey, explorer for the Hudson Bay Company, who first called the grassy middle of North America "Great Plains" when he emerged in 1680 from the northern forest in what is now Saskatchewan. I checked the map in the classic travel narrative of the Canadian west, "W.F. Butler's Great Lone Land, 1872," and right there in the middle of the Canadian Prairies it says, "Great Plains."

In the United States it is the term "Midwest" that causes confusion about the Great Plains. People think that "Midwest" is a term referring to something midway east and west, between the East and the West. In fact, as the geographer James Shortridge explains, the term "Middle West" arose to designate something between north and south. In the 19th century there was the Southwest, and there was the Northwest (Montana, the Dakotas and Minnesota), and then there was the Middle West—basically Kansas and Nebraska. In the 20th century, though, the labels "Middle West" and "Midwest" expanded to the east and north.

Midway into this century people in Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota coined the term "Upper Midwest" so as to include themselves in this emerging region. Subsequently, people in eastern North Dakota who sent their insurance premiums to Lutheran Brotherhood, rooted for the Vikings, liked to shop in Minneapolis and kept cabins in the Minnesota lake country also adopted the Upper Midwest label.

The problem is that no part of North Dakota is at all Midwestern. North Dakota is the most plains state of all—the most level, the least timbered, the most perfectly semiarid. So some namers of North Dakota began to speak of "the Upper Great Plains," which is to say, they are really mixed up.

Then folks in Montana got into the naming game by commencing to call eastern Montana "the High Plains." Probably they had seen too many Clint Eastwood movies. The High Plains are a distinct province of the plains stretching from West Texas through my old home in western Kansas up to Pine Ridge, S.D.—and nowhere near Montana. Now there is even a magazine published in Fargo, N.D., that calls itself the High Plains Reader. What a joke. I can refer you to plenty of people in Grand Forks who, during the Big Water of 1997, wished that they lived on some high plains!

Situate yourself, Stegner said. Work out a sense of place that is true to where you are.

That's what I tried to do when I lived in Emporia, Kan. I lived on the same street as had the great Progressive (and undoubtedly Midwestern) editor, William Allen White, and within smelling range of the Bunge bean plant. The other side of town smelled of beef—beef from the plains. I concluded that the boundary of the Great Plains ran right up Commercial Street, that Emporia was half Midwest and half Great Plains.

This taught me a lesson so that when I prepared to move to Fargo, N.D., I looked for a house in West Fargo, home of the Packers. No more Midwestern identity crises for me. As for your own sense of place—work it out for yourself.

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How long has the Score's talent roster bothered you, Beardown?

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The High Plains Sports Fan Message Board wouldn't sound as good, either.

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How long has the Score's talent roster bothered you, Beardown?


Since 1992.


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How long has the Score's talent roster bothered you, Beardown?


Since 1992.

I put that one right on a tee for you.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:05 pm 
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How is Ohio not a midwestern state, geographer extraordinaire Beardown? If anything, the Plains states are something else.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:10 pm 
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How is Ohio not a midwestern state, geographer extraordinaire Beardown? If anything, the Plains states are something else.


The plains states shouldn't be called the Plains states if you decided to have a midwest.

If you're gonna have the "plains state" designation, fine. But then you can't have a midwest designation if you decided to do that. There should be another designation for the current midwest states if you decided upon the "Plains states". Like "The cracker states" or something like that.

My point is you can't have a midwest without a mideast. And Fuckin Ohio is way too close to the Atlantic ocean to be called midwest.

I win.


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Beardown wrote:
My point is you can't have a midwest without a mideast.


So the Mid-Atlantic, then?

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WIIM and O should be Great Lakes states, the others in red are Midwest then. whatever...


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:17 pm 
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Curious Hair wrote:
Beardown wrote:
My point is you can't have a midwest without a mideast.


So the Mid-Atlantic, then?


Fine. Same thing. As long as you call the true midwest states, "Mid-Pacific".

Why must you be difficult?


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Midwest is fine, we have enough issues.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:14 am 
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WE are not called Midwest. That is another board.

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