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Effective immediately we are suspending the publication of Grantland. After careful consideration, we have decided to direct our time and energy going forward to projects that we believe will have a broader and more significant impact across our enterprise.

Grantland distinguished itself with quality writing, smart ideas, original thinking and fun. We are grateful to those who made it so. Bill Simmons was passionately committed to the site and proved to be an outstanding editor with a real eye for talent. Thanks to all the other writers, editors and staff who worked very hard to create content with an identifiable sensibility and consistent intelligence and quality. We also extend our thanks to Chris Connelly who stepped in to help us maintain the site these past five months as he returns to his prior role.

Despite this change, the legacy of smart long-form sports story-telling and innovative short form video content will continue, finding a home on many of our other ESPN platforms.

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Grantland distinguished itself with quality writing, smart ideas, original thinking and fun. We are grateful to those who made it so. Bill Simmons was passionately committed to the site and proved to be an outstanding editor with a real eye for talent. But then we fucked everything up by firing him, and it all went to shit shortly thereafter.

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Effective immediately we are suspending the publication of Grantland. After careful consideration, we have decided to direct our time and energy going forward to projects that we believe will have a broader and more significant impact across our enterprise.

Grantland distinguished itself with quality writing, smart ideas, original thinking and fun. We are grateful to those who made it so. Bill Simmons was passionately committed to the site and proved to be an outstanding editor with a real eye for talent. Thanks to all the other writers, editors and staff who worked very hard to create content with an identifiable sensibility and consistent intelligence and quality. We also extend our thanks to Chris Connelly who stepped in to help us maintain the site these past five months as he returns to his prior role.

Despite this change, the legacy of smart long-form sports story-telling and innovative short form video content will continue, finding a home on many of our other ESPN platforms.



"Grantland distinguished itself with quality writing, smart ideas, original thinking and fun. "

Yeah this stuff has no place anywhere in ESPN-land.

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Grantland distinguished itself with quality writing, smart ideas, original thinking and fun. We are grateful to those who made it so. Bill Simmons was passionately committed to the site and proved to be an outstanding editor with a real eye for talent. But then we fucked everything up by firing him, and it all went to shit shortly thereafter.


It was a clear money-loser, and based on his HBO whinings Simmons only wanted more money (both for himself, for staff, for promotion) as a result.

You'd hope ESPN would realize 'quality writing, smart ideas, original thinking and fun' could be a tenet of their actual website. They will get a little better at it if they absorb Lowe, Kheri, etc. into the main page (or FiveThirtyEight, whatever that's still around for)


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Hopefully Barnwell doesn't stay with ESPN. Wouldn't he just go back to Football Outsiders?

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Grantland distinguished itself with quality writing, smart ideas, original thinking and fun. We are grateful to those who made it so. Bill Simmons was passionately committed to the site and proved to be an outstanding editor with a real eye for talent. But then we fucked everything up by firing him, and it all went to shit shortly thereafter.


It was a clear money-loser, and based on his HBO whinings Simmons only wanted more money (both for himself, for staff, for promotion) as a result.

You'd hope ESPN would realize 'quality writing, smart ideas, original thinking and fun' could be a tenet of their actual website. They will get a little better at it if they absorb Lowe, Kheri, etc. into the main page (or FiveThirtyEight, whatever that's still around for)


Oh, don't get me wrong ... I think Simmons is maybe a step above schmucks like SAS and Bayless ... BUT occasionally he would bang something out that was a compelling read or there'd be a PR-motivated "leak" of an internal dustup involving him that would engender a light guffaw or two, but at least it was a break from the pablum, agenda-pushing rubbish that pervades the network on-air and online.

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damn, loved Grantland NFL podcast.

barnwell, mays and lowe hopefully get good gigs to flex their stuff.

the faggy nba stuff gladly is gone forever.


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Kirkwood wrote:
damn, loved Grantland NFL podcast.

barnwell, mays and lowe hopefully get good gigs to flex their stuff.

the faggy nba stuff gladly is gone forever.

Lowe does NBA stuff, dummy.

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Kirkwood wrote:
damn, loved Grantland NFL podcast.

barnwell, mays and lowe hopefully get good gigs to flex their stuff.

the faggy nba stuff gladly is gone forever.

Lowe does NBA stuff, dummy.

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Kirkwood wrote:
damn, loved Grantland NFL podcast.

barnwell, mays and lowe hopefully get good gigs to flex their stuff.

the faggy nba stuff gladly is gone forever.

Lowe does NBA stuff, dummy.

there lowe nba stuff and there's faggy nba stuff:
ranking nba haircuts!
importance of demarcus cousin wink gif
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Kirkwood wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
damn, loved Grantland NFL podcast.

barnwell, mays and lowe hopefully get good gigs to flex their stuff.

the faggy nba stuff gladly is gone forever.

Lowe does NBA stuff, dummy.

there lowe nba stuff and there's faggy nba stuff:
ranking nba haircuts!
importance of demarcus cousin wink gif
if spurs were captain planet and planeteers who would be what

That's their gaggle of pop culture writers that do that? I don't really ever read anything there outside of Lowe, Barnwell, Mays, and the occasional Charles Pierce piece.

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To write against your skills

It marks not that you won or lost

But if you paid the bills


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Too bad they couldn't find a way to make money off the site. Probably not encouraging for 538 and the future "Black Grantland" site.

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I'm not sure why Nate Sliver left the NYT's umbrella. He's an afterthought at ESPN and with the 2016 actually primaries about 14 weeks away, this should be the season for mixing big data with survey data.

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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1233 ... -grantland

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So many websites try to replicate old forms, but this was never something Grantland did.


Yeah, A Supposedly Fun Grantland I'll Never Grantland Again really had a form no one had ever seen.

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Lowe’s columns, for example, would often break down the minutiae of NBA offenses and defenses in a way that was both instructive and expansive—you were never just talking about, say, LaMarcus Aldridge’s ability to knock down a shot at the elbow. You were talking about the evolution of the sport itself—and with that, you would also often get a healthy dose of institutional critique and pop culture. You were never just talking about sports, which gets at the genius of the site itself—it had great sportswriters who were invested in the way that sports exist in a larger cultural and societal framework.


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Lowe’s columns, for example, would often break down the minutiae of NBA offenses and defenses in a way that was both instructive and expansive—you were never just talking about, say, LaMarcus Aldridge’s ability to knock down a shot at the elbow. You were talking about the evolution of the sport itself—and with that, you would also often get a healthy dose of institutional critique and pop culture. You were never just talking about sports, which gets at the genius of the site itself—it had great sportswriters who were invested in the way that sports exist in a larger cultural and societal framework.


deep sigh

So in other words, they're better sportswriters because they're pinko intellectuals, as opposed to guys who are more like Ray Barone's TV character.

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Enough about what LaMarcus Aldridge's shot means to the black American experience. I want to know more about how Kevin Durant is inspiring new schools of literary criticism: it's not about what you write, it's about the writing you facilitate.

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Lowe’s columns, for example, would often break down the minutiae of NBA offenses and defenses in a way that was both instructive and expansive—you were never just talking about, say, LaMarcus Aldridge’s ability to knock down a shot at the elbow. You were talking about the evolution of the sport itself—and with that, you would also often get a healthy dose of institutional critique and pop culture. You were never just talking about sports, which gets at the genius of the site itself—it had great sportswriters who were invested in the way that sports exist in a larger cultural and societal framework.


deep sigh


just think, if RFDC read those columns he too would sigh and then say "it's only november.... you're not starting this shit already are you?"

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1. Over the past 48 hours, my Twitter feed has functioned as the site of a mass public wake for Grantland, so this seems an opportune time to remind everyone that Grantland was never very good. At its best, it was a good place to find some mildly wonky sports analysis (Lowe, Barnwell, Mays). At its worst, it was home to some of the most deeply offensive "prestige" writing on the internet (Simmons's "limited intellectual capital" lockout column, the Dr. V saga). The vast majority of the time, it was a purveyor of self-indulgent middlebrow pablum: the Coldplay of websites.

2. With that said, Grantland at least made an effort to bring the world something more substantive than #hottakes, and (as literally everyone on the internet has pointed out by now), it is indeed profoundly disappointing that ESPN is shutting it down while pushing garbage like First Take.

3. With that said, I'm stunned that Simmons is not getting raked over the coals here. Via Deadspin:

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In retrospect, the editorial exodus looks to have been more or less the end. One Grantlander says that no one knew the four editors were leaving to join Simmons until the day they left. That’s because, another source says, Simmons has been warring with ESPN both by acting as a source for writer Jim Miller, and by more nefarious means.

While Grantland writers are on contract, editors are at-will. The four editors’ exits were coordinated, and Simmons, according to this source, told the editors who jumped ship with him that a condition of their employment was that they couldn’t warn anyone at ESPN they were leaving, in order to hit the site as hard as possible.

“He put his beef with [ESPN president John] Skipper above the jobs of dozens of people,” one Grantland staffer said.


Simmons is a narcissistic, petulant little child, and I sincerely wish him ill.

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deep sigh


just think, if RFDC read those columns he too would sigh and then say "it's only november.... you're not starting this shit already are you?"


legit lol'd at this

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Effective immediately we are suspending the publication of Grantland. After careful consideration, we have decided to direct our time and energy going forward to projects that we believe will have a broader and more significant impact across our enterprise.

Grantland distinguished itself with quality writing, smart ideas, original thinking and fun. We are grateful to those who made it so. Bill Simmons was passionately committed to the site and proved to be an outstanding editor with a real eye for talent. Thanks to all the other writers, editors and staff who worked very hard to create content with an identifiable sensibility and consistent intelligence and quality. We also extend our thanks to Chris Connelly who stepped in to help us maintain the site these past five months as he returns to his prior role.

Despite this change, the legacy of smart long-form sports story-telling and innovative short form video content will continue, finding a home on many of our other ESPN platforms.



"Grantland distinguished itself with quality writing, smart ideas, original thinking and fun. "

Yeah this stuff has no place anywhere in ESPN-land.


I didnt read it much and a major reason why is because Bernstein would promote it. I always have said, its hard to be on his side, even if its the right side.

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ugh, really starting to sink in that my podcast options have really dwindled without Grantland. I credit them for not missing heavy-WSCR-consumption too much.


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ugh, really starting to sink in that my podcast options have really dwindled without Grantland. I credit them for not missing heavy-WSCR-consumption too much.

Agreed. Enjoyed Barnwell & Mays podcast as they have great chemistry.

Couldn't Lowe, Barnwell/Mays, Jonah Keri continue doing pods under ESPN name?

What's a good NFL podcast if they stop producing them? I find Ross Tucker annoying and ESPN's NFL podcast is boring fluff.


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ugh, really starting to sink in that my podcast options have really dwindled without Grantland. I credit them for not missing heavy-WSCR-consumption too much.


Couldn't Lowe, Barnwell/Mays, Jonah Keri continue doing pods under ESPN name?


I don't see why not, though Keri's season is over and Lowe said on Twitter he was cancelling his upcoming one.

I don't listen to the NFL one but it sounds like it had problems even before the site was pulled-> http://deadspin.com/whats-going-on-with ... 1737360062


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won't bother with the links:

  • Keri's finishing out the year at ESPN.com, not sure if he's staying after that.
  • Andy Greenwald is moving that podcast (unsure about writing) to HBO under Simmons
  • Katie Baker to ESPNW


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Lowe and Barnewall popping up at ESPN.com

Kirk Goldesberry to FiveThirtyEight


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:lol: @ Simmons naming his new podcast network BSPN. Kinda makes sense, but still.

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I still have no idea what "Grantland" is or was, but this tells me I don't want to know.

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