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Yes. Charge a fee to the folks who are stuck in the 1960's & still want mail delivery daily.
95% of mail goes straight in the recycling bin. Think of the environment!


Why do you want to hurt the economy?


As conservatives, we want a more fiscally conservative & responsible government.


Thankfully USPS hasn't been run by the government in decades.



The US Postal Service is an independent government agency, part of the executive branch.

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The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.

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https://about.usps.com/who-we-are/postal-facts/top-10-things-to-know.htm

The Postal Service is the only organization in the country that has the resources, network infrastructure and logistical capability to deliver to every residential and business address in the nation.

The Postal Service receives NO tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations.

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Chet, this is what is very frustrating.

Every city post office has different ways of doing things. The place I am at now bends over backwards for the customer. Your mail should not be returned to sender just because you are gone. If the carrier know about it, he can write up a card letting any subs know what's up. Hell, if your mailbox can fit that much mail they should be leaving it anyway.


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The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


Key word there is independent. The government has nothing to do with day to day operations and no tax dollars are used for operational costs.


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https://about.usps.com/who-we-are/postal-facts/top-10-things-to-know.htm

The Postal Service is the only organization in the country that has the resources, network infrastructure and logistical capability to deliver to every residential and business address in the nation.

The Postal Service receives NO tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations.


Incorrect.

http://fortune.com/2015/03/27/us-postal-service/

American taxpayers give an $18 billion gift to the post office every year

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March 27, 2015, 12:22 PM EST

A new analysis explains just how much the USPS benefits from the subsidies it receives from the federal government.

The United States Postal Service’s financial troubles have been well publicized in recent years. The worst of it came in 2012, when the USPS lost a whopping $15.9 billion dollars, followed by $4.8 billion and $5.3 billion in 2013 and 2014, respectively.

Post office officials have often attributed the losses to the decline in demand for first class mail in favor of more efficient modes of communication, and congressional mandates that the USPS do things like deliver mail on Saturdays and to unprofitable parts of the country. In fact, the USPS claims that if it weren’t for such requirements, it would more or less break even.

But as Robert Shapiro—former Treasury undersecretary and chairman of the economic consultancy Sonecon—points out in a new analysis, American taxpayers subsidize the USPS at a rate that surpasses the costs associated with any Congressional mandate. He estimates that, all told, the subsidies and legal monopolies that Congress bestows upon the post office is worth $18 billion annually. These include:

Laws that bar any other shipping service from delivering mail and packages directly to residential and business mailboxes. Shapiro estimates that this gives the Post Office a $14 billion annual boost, more than three times what the Postal Regulatory Commission estimates it to be. Shapiro argues that the PRC’s analysis doesn’t take into account the productivity gains that the Post Office would be forced to make if it really had to compete for mailbox delivery. He points out that productivity at USPS has only grown by 0.7% per year versus 2.5% for its competition.

Tax breaks. The Post Office is exempt from state and local property and real estate taxes, along with other burdens like tolls, vehicle registration fees, and parking tickets. These exemptions save the USPS $2.18 billion per year.

Cheap borrowing. The Postal Service, writes Shapiro, “can borrow from the U.S. Treasury through the Federal Financing Bank, at highly-subsidized interest rates.” It currently borrows the legal limit of $15.2 billion at a rate of 1.2%. Without this access, it would be paying somewhere between $415 million and $490 million per year more in interest.

Finally, Shapiro points out that the USPS pays its workers salaries and benefits far above the rates paid to similar workers in the private sector. Labor accounted for 78% of the organization’s costs in 2014, “with about 89% of those costs involving employees represented by collective bargaining.” These higher labor costs, plus the absence of a need to innovate due to government-granted monopolies, has freed the USPS from $20 billion in labor and productivity costs per year, Shapiro estimates. “While we do not technically count this as a subsidy,” he writes, it represents an economic burden on others arising directly from USPS’s monopoly position.” Postage, for instance, would likely be cheaper for everyone if the organization were subject to the same competitive pressures as private firms.

It’s remarkable that the United States, which has a reputation for being more free market-oriented than other rich nations, maintains this government-mandated monopoly. Over the past several decades, the process of European integration led to the deregulation and privatization of European postal monopolies, with generally good results.

Given the inability for Congress and the White House to agree on even basic legislation, it’s unlikely that any major changes to the Post Office will be coming soon. After all, the Post Office’s losses aren’t an anomaly. It has spent a large part of its history in the red, as this chart from Shapiro shows:

Meanwhile, the $18 billion in subsidies given to the USPS are spread imperceptibly over the entire country, while the costs of privatization would be borne heavily by a few. Folks in rural areas might have to pay much more to lure private businesses to deliver mail.

The Post Office employs 618,000 people—more than any civilian employer besides Wal Mart. Given the pay disparities between the Post Office and private employers, these people would be highly motivated to block any significant change to the current system.

That said, the benefits the rest of us bestow on the USPS are enormous. None of this will help you calm down the next time you are waiting on a line that just won’t move at your local post office.

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 Post subject: Re: Mail Carriers
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The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


Key word there is independent. The government has nothing to do with day to day operations and no tax dollars are used for operational costs.


You should know more about your employer. See the above post.

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Asswipe at my apartment building mixes mail up all the time. Fuck him

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The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


Key word there is independent. The government has nothing to do with day to day operations and no tax dollars are used for operational costs.


You should know more about your employer. See the above post.


"Discussion of Shapiro’s claims has omitted a crucial detail: The study was financed by United Parcel Service, the Postal Service’s chief private-sector competitor and a long-time proponent of postal privatization."

Yea.....completely above board reporting, I'm sure. You should research your articles a little better.


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Asswipe at my apartment building mixes mail up all the time. Fuck him


I thought for sure that you lived in trailer park.

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The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


Key word there is independent. The government has nothing to do with day to day operations and no tax dollars are used for operational costs.


You should know more about your employer. See the above post.


"Discussion of Shapiro’s claims has omitted a crucial detail: The study was financed by United Parcel Service, the Postal Service’s chief private-sector competitor and a long-time proponent of postal privatization."

Yea.....completely above board reporting, I'm sure. You should research your articles a little better.


At least you didnt dispute that the USPS receives $18 billion each year in tax money. The article is accurate. Shapiro didnt make that up. He was merely pointing out the facts. You probably don't want to compare the finances of UPS & USPS though. UPS 2014 net income was $3.03 billion with total revenue of $58.26 billion.

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They're not receiving that money. The government isn't going to tax itself. That shouldn't be hard to understand.

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I'm not sure what the current number is, I'm sure it is a little lower, but in 2013, the USPS lost $25 million dollars PER DAY. Yes, you read that right, $25 million per day.

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Bezos will take over the USPS in the next five years.

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At least you didnt dispute that the USPS receives $18 billion each year in tax money. The article is accurate. Shapiro didnt make that up. He was merely pointing out the facts. .


I'm not going to put any stock in findings in a report paid for by:

A. A competitor in the package market
B. A competitor who wants their competition privatized for their financial gain

Now if that report makes you feel better about your opinion of the USPS.....great.

You know who else gets "subsidies"? The NFL, Wal Mart, Doctors, Big Oil......etc

Maybe we should shut them down too?


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At least you didnt dispute that the USPS receives $18 billion each year in tax money. The article is accurate. Shapiro didnt make that up. He was merely pointing out the facts. .


I'm not going to put any stock in findings in a report paid for by:

A. A competitor in the package market
B. A competitor who wants their competition privatized for their financial gain

Now if that report makes you feel better about your opinion of the USPS.....great.

You know who else gets "subsidies"? The NFL, Wal Mart, Doctors, Big Oil......etc

Maybe we should shut them down too?


The best thing that could happen to the USPS would be for UPS to take over, but unless the US constitution is changed, I don't think that can happen.

To be clear, I am against ALL subsidies...oil, farmers, all of them.

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Scorehead, I had no idea you were so knowledgeable about the Postal Service. How long have you worked for them? Or do you just get your info from articles that support your thinking?


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My uncle was a mail carrier in Mchenry. One day, when he was preparing for his retirement in 6 months (some paperwork he had to do I dunno) he said something about writing a book about the abuses mail carriers take. For example, you have a supervisor standing over you with a stopwatch as you fill your mailbag for the days delivery and if you're 20 seconds over you have to do... something I don't know anyway the point is a few days later his supervisor called him in and said so you're gonna write a book about the post office? And Uncle said yeah, and the supervisor said... "I don't think that's a great idea. Don't you want to live in the community after you retire"

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Scorehead, I had no idea you were so knowledgeable about the Postal Service. How long have you worked for them? Or do you just get your info from articles that support your thinking?


Does the govt. subsidize the USPS to the tune of $18B a year or not?

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My uncle was a mail carrier in Mchenry. One day, when he was preparing for his retirement in 6 months (some paperwork he had to do I dunno) he said something about writing a book about the abuses mail carriers take. For example, you have a supervisor standing over you with a stopwatch as you fill your mailbag for the days delivery and if you're 20 seconds over you have to do... something I don't know anyway the point is a few days later his supervisor called him in and said so you're gonna write a book about the post office? And Uncle said yeah, and the supervisor said... "I don't think that's a great idea. Don't you want to live in the community after you retire"



"Going postal" became a tag line because of stuff like that.

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My uncle was a mail carrier in Mchenry. One day, when he was preparing for his retirement in 6 months (some paperwork he had to do I dunno) he said something about writing a book about the abuses mail carriers take. For example, you have a supervisor standing over you with a stopwatch as you fill your mailbag for the days delivery and if you're 20 seconds over you have to do... something I don't know anyway the point is a few days later his supervisor called him in and said so you're gonna write a book about the post office? And Uncle said yeah, and the supervisor said... "I don't think that's a great idea. Don't you want to live in the community after you retire"



"Going postal" became a tag line because of stuff like that.

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Everything that I posted is factual. Feel free to provide proof that it isn't.
The USPS has lost $47 billion since 2006. Thats $47 billion...with a B. It was losing $25 million PER DAY.

Understand that I'm not criticizing the fine Men & Women who work for the USPS & carry mail. I'm criticizing the incompetent dumb fucks who run the business. The business model needs to change with the times.

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Scorehead, I had no idea you were so knowledgeable about the Postal Service. How long have you worked for them? Or do you just get your info from articles that support your thinking?


Everything that I posted is factual. Feel free to provide proof that it isn't.
The USPS has lost $47 billion since 2006. Thats $47 billion...with a B. It was losing $25 million PER DAY.

Understand that I'm not criticizing the fine Men & Women who work for the USPS & carry mail. I'm criticizing the incompetent dumb fucks who run the business. The business model needs to change with the times.

You never provided proof that it was.

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We do not need mail delivery 6 times a week. Give me a once a week mail drop and I'm good.

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Yes. Charge a fee to the folks who are stuck in the 1960's & still want mail delivery daily.
95% of mail goes straight in the recycling bin. Think of the environment!


Why do you want to hurt the economy?


As conservatives, we want a more fiscally conservative & responsible government.


Conservative politicians certainly pay that lip service, but they spend just as recklessly as liberal politicians.

Exhibit A: Business man, George W. Bush

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