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It's not the DA's job to promote a social agenda. I think it's pretty clear she is a liar. And her (family) planting evidence should show you to what degree. In spite of all of that, Kane is never going to get his reputation back.
You want the district attorney, who is in charge of trying crimes on behalf of accusers, to be virtually calling an accuser a liar in the biggest case that he probably will ever be part of?

Imagine there is a rape tomorrow in Buffalo, and the person who is in charge of getting justice for your family member is the guy that shamed this girl for no useful reason. How confident are you that you won't get the same fate if not all of the dna evidence comes out in your favor?


The DA is there to get a conviction. If there was the slightest possibility that he could have gotten one against Patrick Kane, he would have. That's the kind of high profile shit these guys live for. As it is, he's telling you all of the evidence is so flimsy he was disgusted with the accuser. There are witnesses- plural- contradicting her story. Some of them may be her own friends. That's in addition to the non-existent DNA, the non-existent evidence of penetration, the bed evidence, and on and on and on. You're acting as if she's still the injured party. If anything, people should be angry with her for making it more difficult for other women to make a legitimate rape accusation, not Kane or the DA.

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So if someone still thinks Kane is a rapist you think that would be fair?


That's not what I said. I said that if there was enough evidence for the DA to believe that Kane was a rapist but not enough to charge him or some problem with charging him and the DA made a statement suggesting such, I think that would be fair.

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The correct answer here is that there is not enough evidence to believe that Kane is a rapist but also not enough to know if she was lying.


I believe you are mistaken about that and I think that's precisely why the DA worded his statement the way he did.

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I just find it odd that now he is St. Kane.


:lol: Who believes that? That kid is a goof.

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The DA wants to make sure his ass is covered because he has higher political aspirations. That plays into this as well.

Look, she could be a liar. Kane could have put a condom on too. Kane fucking bit her.

No one knows for sure what happened. I just find it odd that now he is St. Kane. They could have just gone quietly into the night, issued a one sentence statement that they weren't going further and left it at that.

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The DA is there to get a conviction. If there was the slightest possibility that he could have gotten one against Patrick Kane, he would have. That's the kind of high profile shit these guys live for. As it is, he's telling you all of the evidence is so flimsy he was disgusted with the accuser. There are witnesses- plural- contradicting her story. Some of them may be her own friends. That's in addition to the non-existent DNA, the non-existent evidence of penetration, the bed evidence, and on and on and on. You're acting as if she's still the injured party. If anything, people should be angry with her for making it more difficult for other women to make a legitimate rape accusation, not Kane or the DA.
There was not enough evidence to charge Kane. I don't know why you keep mentioning it. He wasn't charged.

If the DA wants to charge her with making false statements then do that. Don't go out and basically call her a liar when we really don't know.

The bottom line is that Kane still bit her, and his dna was under her fingernails. She may have been lying. She may not have.

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The bottom line is that Kane still bit her, and his dna was under her fingernails.


I don't know if we're sure about that. I've read various things about that.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
That's not what I said. I said that if there was enough evidence for the DA to believe that Kane was a rapist but not enough to charge him or some problem with charging him and the DA made a statement suggesting such, I think that would be fair.
To some people the dna evidence may be enough though. That is why the DA should not have done what he did. The fact in this case is that there was NOT ENOUGH evidence to charge him with a crime.
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I believe you are mistaken about that and I think that's precisely why the DA worded his statement the way he did.
The DA thinks she is a liar. However, his job was to determine if there was enough evidence to charge Kane.

If she gets charged with a crime, then his job is to determine that.

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Must've put his dick under her nails and not in her vagina too

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The bottom line is that Kane still bit her, and his dna was under her fingernails.


I don't know if we're sure about that. I've read various things about that.
Those two things were confirmed with the report that his dna was not found in the rape kit.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The DA is there to get a conviction. If there was the slightest possibility that he could have gotten one against Patrick Kane, he would have. That's the kind of high profile shit these guys live for. As it is, he's telling you all of the evidence is so flimsy he was disgusted with the accuser. There are witnesses- plural- contradicting her story. Some of them may be her own friends. That's in addition to the non-existent DNA, the non-existent evidence of penetration, the bed evidence, and on and on and on. You're acting as if she's still the injured party. If anything, people should be angry with her for making it more difficult for other women to make a legitimate rape accusation, not Kane or the DA.
There was not enough evidence to charge Kane. I don't know why you keep mentioning it. He wasn't charged.

If the DA wants to charge her with making false statements then do that. Don't go out and basically call her a liar when we really don't know.

The bottom line is that Kane still bit her, and his dna was under her fingernails. She may have been lying. She may not have.



Is it so hard to grasp that the DA said what he said because HE thinks she is a liar? Nothing more to it really.

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The DA thinks she is a liar.


Obviously. And he knows way, way more about the case than we do.

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Kane has won in every way imaginable in this thing.


Except for the whole "lots of people think he's a rapist" thing.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The DA thinks she is a liar.


Obviously. And he knows way, way more about the case than we do.
I'm not going to restate what I said before, but it isn't his job to call her a liar, even if he believes it.

It's irresponsible, especially since everyone loves to throw out the "innocent until proven guilty" thing. But hey, let's throw that all out now because Julie DiCaro is an idiot!

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Kane has won in every way imaginable in this thing.


Except for the whole "lots of people think he's a rapist" thing.
I don't think a lot of people think that. At best, they can say "We don't know what happens" but not even being charged is a huge win for him.

Considering that some dna evidence does exist, that is a huge win for him.

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If you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich it's pretty telling that this didn't even go to indictment.

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If you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich it's pretty telling that this didn't even go to indictment.

That doesn't mean nothing happened. Except rape. Which is what the allegation was.

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The DA wants to make sure his ass is covered because he has higher political aspirations.


He's running unopposed for a seat on the State Supreme Court ... no real need to cover his ass.



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... The totality of credible evidence - the proof - does not sufficiently substantiate the complainant's allegation that she was raped by Patrick Kane and this so-called 'case' is rife with reasonable doubt ...

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prosecutors prosecute. They frequently even prosecute shit cases because of public pressure. They are not prosecuting this case. Pretty telling, especially when Kane has no connection to the Daley family

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prosecutors prosecute. They frequently even prosecute shit cases because of public pressure. They are not prosecuting this case. Pretty telling, especially when Kane has no connection to the Daley family
The public pressure was not to prosecute, at least after the debacle with the evidence bag.

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She is clearly a liar, since she did not object to the whole tampered evidence bag press conference. Are we to believe that she did not recognize the bag and that it was the result of a scheme by her mother that the "so-called" victim had no part of?

With no DNA evidence, conflicting witness testimony and family's planted evidence lie, it is not a stretch to call the victim a liar.

Also, where has it been confirmed that Kane bit her?

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Also, where has it been confirmed that Kane bit her?
http://wgntv.com/2015/09/21/kane-investigation-still-looms-over-hawks-training-camp-festival/

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Last week in South Bend, Ind., Kane said he'd be vindicated. This weekend the Buffalo News reported the rape kit done on the alleged victim came back negative for Kane's DNA, though it was found under her fingernails and in a bite mark.

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interesting interview with DA last night. It is in 3 parts.

http://www.wgrz.com/story/news/local/20 ... /75203792/


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Also, where has it been confirmed that Kane bit her?
http://wgntv.com/2015/09/21/kane-investigation-still-looms-over-hawks-training-camp-festival/

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Last week in South Bend, Ind., Kane said he'd be vindicated. This weekend the Buffalo News reported the rape kit done on the alleged victim came back negative for Kane's DNA, though it was found under her fingernails and in a bite mark.


Kane's attorney said publicly that any reports of Kane's DNA being found in the rape kit, or his DNA found in a (nonexistant?) bite mark were false.

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Kane's attorney said publicly that any reports of Kane's DNA being found in the rape kit, or his DNA found in a (nonexistant?) bite mark were false.
I don't think he said that about the bite marks. He said some of the reports were completely inaccurate. This was in August.

He wouldn't say what was innaccurate though. I believe it was the leg scratch that was inaccurate.

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from the Buffalo News today

"While no criminal charges will be filed against Kane, there were indications from Sedita that there was some physical contact between him and the woman.

When asked by The Buffalo News if it was true that bite were marks found on the alleged victim’s shoulders, Sedita answered:

“There were bite marks or so-called ‘hickeys’ on her shoulders. Kane likely caused them.”

When asked if there was consensual sex between the two, Cambria said, “It didn’t happen. It did not happen, and all the evidence supports that.”

Sedita, meanwhile, stressed that there was no preferential treatment given to this case because it involved a celebrity.

And despite the doubts cast on the woman’s allegations, a law enforcement source familiar with the DA’s investigation said there are no plans to pursue criminal charges against her."


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So the bite marks are hickies. It would still put her into the liar category based on everything else. She cooperated with the press conference presenting the evidence bag.

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So the bite marks are hickies. It would still put her into the liar category based on everything else. She cooperated with the press conference presenting the evidence bag.


It's funny how different a choice of words can make the same thing seem, isn't it?

bite marks = vicious attack
hickeys = makeout session

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Don't forget, there is dna evidence of more than casual physical contact between them. Clearly not enough to charge him with a crime, but it isn't like she walked past him in a bar and then cried rape.


That's not true. DNA on her shoulder and under her fingernails in and of themselves does not prove that there was anything more than casual contact. You hang out at a loud bar with a person you're bound to exchange DNA just from interacting and especially if its in a flirtatious way.

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Don't forget, there is dna evidence of more than casual physical contact between them. Clearly not enough to charge him with a crime, but it isn't like she walked past him in a bar and then cried rape.


That's not true. DNA on her shoulder and under her fingernails in and of themselves does not prove that there was anything more than casual contact. You hang out at a loud bar with a person you're bound to exchange DNA just from interacting and especially if its in a flirtatious way.


The bar owner said she was hanging all over Kane most of the evening.


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