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Don't forget, there is dna evidence of more than casual physical contact between them. Clearly not enough to charge him with a crime, but it isn't like she walked past him in a bar and then cried rape.


That's not true. DNA on her shoulder and under her fingernails in and of themselves does not prove that there was anything more than casual contact. You hang out at a loud bar with a person you're bound to exchange DNA just from interacting and especially if its in a flirtatious way.

I don't scratch or get scratched while hanging out at a bar. Even whilst flirting.

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Not talking to police isn't acting like you didn't commit a crime.

Am I being detained? Am I being detained? You're legally obligated to inform me that I'm being detained. Am I being detained?

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I didn't think it was in doubt that someone had sex with her that night. Thought it was a guy named Mike, maybe related to Kane?

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Don't forget, there is dna evidence of more than casual physical contact between them. Clearly not enough to charge him with a crime, but it isn't like she walked past him in a bar and then cried rape.


That's not true. DNA on her shoulder and under her fingernails in and of themselves does not prove that there was anything more than casual contact. You hang out at a loud bar with a person you're bound to exchange DNA just from interacting and especially if its in a flirtatious way.

I don't scratch or get scratched while hanging out at a bar. Even whilst flirting.


Shakes hangs out at cat-friendly bars.

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Don't forget, there is dna evidence of more than casual physical contact between them. Clearly not enough to charge him with a crime, but it isn't like she walked past him in a bar and then cried rape.


That's not true. DNA on her shoulder and under her fingernails in and of themselves does not prove that there was anything more than casual contact. You hang out at a loud bar with a person you're bound to exchange DNA just from interacting and especially if its in a flirtatious way.


The bar owner said she was hanging all over Kane most of the evening.

Remember he was just victim shaming her. So what he had to say doesn't count . Fanboy to the bone.

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The DA wants to make sure his ass is covered because he has higher political aspirations. That plays into this as well.

Look, she could be a liar. Kane could have put a condom on too. Kane fucking bit her.

No one knows for sure what happened. I just find it odd that now he is St. Kane. They could have just gone quietly into the night, issued a one sentence statement that they weren't going further and left it at that.


Dude, how fucking stupid is you?

Seriously, you should just back out of this discussion now cause you're just coming off like an ignorant moron. You can't put a condom on while FORCIBLY RAPING someone and not leave any DNA behind or latex residuals.

And HE NEVER BIT HER! Please find any evidence that states that he bit her. Or I should say, any evidence that didn't originate from Tim Graham or Julie "professional victim" Dicaro. Kane's own attorney confirmed after the DNA results were released that there was never a bite. No one from any office, either the DA or the liar's attorneys contradicted that statement. In fact, the liar's attorney responded by complaining that that info should not have been released to the public.


Seriously, either educate yourself or shut the fuck up.

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The bottom line is that Kane still bit her, .


You have nothing to back that up other than Tim Graham and Julie Dicaro.

Paul Cambria specifically said in his presser after he was given the DNA results that there was no bite, that the bite rumor was a lie. No one from the DA's office or the liar's office contradicted that statement or claimed that there was a bite.

So I think the bottom line is that you are talking out your ass.....again.

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The bottom line is that Kane still bit her, and his dna was under her fingernails.


I don't know if we're sure about that. I've read various things about that.
Those two things were confirmed with the report that his dna was not found in the rape kit.


DNA on her shoulder was confirmed, no one has claimed that she was bit other than Tim Graham and Julie Dicaro. Cambria specifically said that the bite rumor was lie and no one from the DA's office or the liar's attorney contradicted that statement.

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Didn't it just saw a few posts ago they were hickeys not bite marks ?

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Kane's attorney said publicly that any reports of Kane's DNA being found in the rape kit, or his DNA found in a (nonexistant?) bite mark were false.
I don't think he said that about the bite marks. He said some of the reports were completely inaccurate. This was in August.

He wouldn't say what was innaccurate though. I believe it was the leg scratch that was inaccurate.


No, he specifically addressed the bite mark during his presser at his house after the first evidence bag presser earlier in the day. He specifically said that the rumors about the bite were a lie.

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Don't forget, there is dna evidence of more than casual physical contact between them. Clearly not enough to charge him with a crime, but it isn't like she walked past him in a bar and then cried rape.


That's not true. DNA on her shoulder and under her fingernails in and of themselves does not prove that there was anything more than casual contact. You hang out at a loud bar with a person you're bound to exchange DNA just from interacting and especially if its in a flirtatious way.

I don't scratch or get scratched while hanging out at a bar. Even whilst flirting.


you don't need to scratch someone to get their DNA under your fingernails.

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shakes wrote:
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Don't forget, there is dna evidence of more than casual physical contact between them. Clearly not enough to charge him with a crime, but it isn't like she walked past him in a bar and then cried rape.


That's not true. DNA on her shoulder and under her fingernails in and of themselves does not prove that there was anything more than casual contact. You hang out at a loud bar with a person you're bound to exchange DNA just from interacting and especially if its in a flirtatious way.

I don't scratch or get scratched while hanging out at a bar. Even whilst flirting.


you don't need to scratch someone to get their DNA under your fingernails.

Touching a toilet seat perhaps?

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I think we all know that there's a big difference between a hickey at a bite. Hickey could've been something that happened at the bar and she could've been squeezing his arm while he did it. Boom DNA on shoulder and under fingernails.

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shakes wrote:
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Don't forget, there is dna evidence of more than casual physical contact between them. Clearly not enough to charge him with a crime, but it isn't like she walked past him in a bar and then cried rape.


That's not true. DNA on her shoulder and under her fingernails in and of themselves does not prove that there was anything more than casual contact. You hang out at a loud bar with a person you're bound to exchange DNA just from interacting and especially if its in a flirtatious way.
What isn't true?

There is dna evidence of more than casual physical contact between them. Unless of course the bite marks/hickey also came from flirting at the bar.

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No, he specifically addressed the bite mark during his presser at his house after the first evidence bag presser earlier in the day. He specifically said that the rumors about the bite were a lie.
Link?

Because everything I saw indicated that he was saying that some of the claims weren't true and he'd be able to say more later.

Also, the DA yesterday called it a bite mark or hickey.

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Didn't it just saw a few posts ago they were hickeys not bite marks ?
The DA called it a bite mark or hickey.

You'd think he would have said that there were no bite marks if there weren't bite marks.

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No, he specifically addressed the bite mark during his presser at his house after the first evidence bag presser earlier in the day. He specifically said that the rumors about the bite were a lie.
Link?

Because everything I saw indicated that he was saying that some of the claims weren't true and he'd be able to say more later.

Also, the DA yesterday called it a bite mark or hickey.



I watched him say it live during the presser, no link.

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Didn't it just saw a few posts ago they were hickeys not bite marks ?
The DA called it a bite mark or hickey.

You'd think he would have said that there were no bite marks if there weren't bite marks.


seems clear to me that he said bite mark, realized he misspoke and then clarified it by saying it was a hickey which is, as we all know, is a lot closer to a kiss than a bite. bite are associated with violence, hickeys are playful.

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I watched him say it live during the presser, no link.
:lol:

So I think the bottom line is that you are talking out your ass.....again.

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seems clear to me that he said bite mark, realized he misspoke and then clarified it by saying it was a hickey which is, as we all know, is a lot closer to a kiss than a bite. bite are associated with violence, hickeys are playful.
You'd think he would have said "There were no bite marks" rather than "There were bite marks or so-called ‘hickeys’ on her shoulders".

Still though, the only thing that is really relevant here is that there is some dna evidence of close contact here. Clearly not enough to charge him or even believe that a rape happened but we don't need to rewrite things to act like Kane and her simply passed each other on the dance floor for a few seconds.

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Don't forget, there is dna evidence of more than casual physical contact between them. Clearly not enough to charge him with a crime, but it isn't like she walked past him in a bar and then cried rape.


That's not true. DNA on her shoulder and under her fingernails in and of themselves does not prove that there was anything more than casual contact. You hang out at a loud bar with a person you're bound to exchange DNA just from interacting and especially if its in a flirtatious way.

I don't scratch or get scratched while hanging out at a bar. Even whilst flirting.


Come on, dude! During the last Stanley Cup run I'm sure you were coated with the DNA of denis and Hockey Gay.

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seems clear to me that he said bite mark, realized he misspoke and then clarified it by saying it was a hickey which is, as we all know, is a lot closer to a kiss than a bite. bite are associated with violence, hickeys are playful.
You'd think he would have said "There were no bite marks" rather than "There were bite marks or so-called ‘hickeys’ on her shoulders".

Still though, the only thing that is really relevant here is that there is some dna evidence of close contact here. Clearly not enough to charge him or even believe that a rape happened but we don't need to rewrite things to act like Kane and her simply passed each other on the dance floor for a few seconds.

So we cant believe a rape happened because theres no evidence of that other than she said it did, it was investigated and found not to have happened but we cant call her a fucking liar for saying Kane raped her. Got it.

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So we cant believe a rape happened because theres no evidence of that other than she said it did, it was investigated and found not to have happened but we cant call her a fucking liar for saying Kane raped her. Got it.
It isn't one or the other. Not being charged with a crime doesn't necessarily mean that the accuser was lying. It just means there isn't enough evidence to charge them.

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I watched him say it live during the presser, no link.
:lol:

So I think the bottom line is that you are talking out your ass.....again.



woah woah woah, are you saying I'm lying?

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So we cant believe a rape happened because theres no evidence of that other than she said it did, it was investigated and found not to have happened but we cant call her a fucking liar for saying Kane raped her. Got it.
It isn't one or the other. Not being charged with a crime doesn't necessarily mean that the accuser was lying. It just means there isn't enough evidence to charge them.

This is what I've been trying to say.

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So we cant believe a rape happened because theres no evidence of that other than she said it did, it was investigated and found not to have happened but we cant call her a fucking liar for saying Kane raped her. Got it.
It isn't one or the other. Not being charged with a crime doesn't necessarily mean that the accuser was lying. It just means there isn't enough evidence to charge them.


yea except for the part where Sedita all but called her a liar in his statement yesterday. He called her a liar in the most professional way he could possibly do it while also making it abundantly clear what he thought of her allegations and her so called rape case.

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I watched him say it live during the presser, no link.
:lol:

So I think the bottom line is that you are talking out your ass.....again.



woah woah woah, are you saying I'm lying?
Nope. Just that you can't back up what you said.

It would have been a big deal if the bite marks didn't exist, and the DA probably would have said "There were no bite marks".

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So we cant believe a rape happened because theres no evidence of that other than she said it did, it was investigated and found not to have happened but we cant call her a fucking liar for saying Kane raped her. Got it.
It isn't one or the other. Not being charged with a crime doesn't necessarily mean that the accuser was lying. It just means there isn't enough evidence to charge them.


yea except for the part where Sedita all but called her a liar in his statement yesterday. He called her a liar in the most professional way he could possibly do it while also making it abundantly clear what he thought of her allegations and her so called rape case.
So then charge her with a crime instead of grandstanding about her being a liar.

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This once again raises the question; once accused, is there any way to prove a rape did not happen short of a confession by the accuser?

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When was the last time a prosecutor has brought charges against an accuser for making false claims and lying in a high-profile case?

Don't they usually just decline to pursue it?

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