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Councilman Les Whinen wrote:
This once again raises the question; once accused, is there any way to prove a rape did not happen short of a confession by the accuser?



How is that an interesting question? The answer is yes, and if you need an example how just refer back to this case where in fact it was proven that Kane didn't rape her despite no recantation by the liar.

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When was the last time a prosecutor has brought charges against an accuser for making false claims and lying in a high-profile case?

Don't they usually just decline to pursue it?
If he was willing to go out and make it clear he thought she was lying then why not just go all the way?

There are good reasons why they decline to pursue it, and they are the same reasons you don't make the accuser out to be a liar in the press.

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I judge a comment like "her story does not agree with witnesses" and essentially saying she got a key location detail wrong...that says to me she's not believable. I've reserved judgement till now, but I think things are becoming more clear on the believe-ability scale.

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So then charge her with a crime instead of grandstanding about her being a liar.


I think his goal was to admonish her while at the same time not wasting any more time and money on this situation.

Like you said, it doesn't do society any favors by prosecuting false rape claims in terms of the big picture of not wanting to discourage rape victims from coming forward for what is already an uphill court battle for the most part. But, at the same time the DA was clearly angry that this liar wasted his office's time and resources and felt she needed to be scolded for that to some degree.

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Councilman Les Whinen wrote:
This once again raises the question; once accused, is there any way to prove a rape did not happen short of a confession by the accuser?



How is that an interesting question? The answer is yes, and if you need an example how just refer back to this case where in fact it was proven that Kane didn't rape her despite no recantation by the liar.

There is a difference between proving that he didn't do it and not being able to prove he did do it.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
When was the last time a prosecutor has brought charges against an accuser for making false claims and lying in a high-profile case?

Don't they usually just decline to pursue it?


In part 2 of his TV interview, he said that they thought about charging her, but because they never charged Kane,
they decided not to press charges on her. Plus, they didn't want to deter real rape victims from coming forward
in the future.

There was no rape, or any intercourse between the two.


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Councilman Les Whinen wrote:
This once again raises the question; once accused, is there any way to prove a rape did not happen short of a confession by the accuser?



How is that an interesting question? The answer is yes, and if you need an example how just refer back to this case where in fact it was proven that Kane didn't rape her despite no recantation by the liar.

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So we cant believe a rape happened because theres no evidence of that other than she said it did, it was investigated and found not to have happened but we cant call her a fucking liar for saying Kane raped her. Got it.
It isn't one or the other. Not being charged with a crime doesn't necessarily mean that the accuser was lying. It just means there isn't enough evidence to charge them.

Obviously Rick does not feel that this is an example that proves a rape didn't happen. So my point is, if this is not enough evidence to prove it didn't happen then what more is needed? It would seem to me that by this standard it would be essentially impossible to prove definitively rape didn't happen.

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Score is doomed wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
When was the last time a prosecutor has brought charges against an accuser for making false claims and lying in a high-profile case?

Don't they usually just decline to pursue it?


In part 2 of his TV interview, he said that they thought about charging her, but because they never charged Kane,
they decided not to press charges on her. Plus, they didn't want to deter real rape victims from coming forward
in the future.

There was no rape, or any intercourse between the two.


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Thanks SiD.

So basically since it was only an investigation and there were never charges brought, he isn't going to bring them against the "accuser".

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Councilman Les Whinen wrote:
Obviously Rick does not feel that this is an example that proves a rape didn't happen. So my point is, if this is not enough evidence to prove it didn't happen then what more is needed? It would seem to me that by this standard it would be essentially impossible to prove definitively rape didn't happen.
Of course it isn't possible to prove a negative.

There isn't enough evidence to charge Kane and it would be unfair to think that he did rape her but of course you can't prove it didn't happen.

That is why our legal system uses "not guilty" instead of "innocent".

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Plus, they didn't want to deter real rape victims from coming forward
in the future.
But he certainly did that in the press conference.

That is the problem. Saying "no charges are being filed due to lack of evidence" would have been enough for everyone involved.

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Plus, they didn't want to deter real rape victims from coming forward
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But he certainly did that in the press conference.

That is the problem. Saying "no charges are being filed due to lack of evidence" would have been enough for everyone involved.


Why? She obviously lied. There is NO evidence at all, just the BS put out by the SJW's.

IF there was NO sex, how is she a rape victim?


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Councilman Les Whinen wrote:
This once again raises the question; once accused, is there any way to prove a rape did not happen short of a confession by the accuser?



Even that isn't proof. When Cathy Webb recanted her testimony against Gary Dotson the prosecutors and judge said she was lying then and telling the truth at trial.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Councilman Les Whinen wrote:
Obviously Rick does not feel that this is an example that proves a rape didn't happen. So my point is, if this is not enough evidence to prove it didn't happen then what more is needed? It would seem to me that by this standard it would be essentially impossible to prove definitively rape didn't happen.
Of course it isn't possible to prove a negative.

There isn't enough evidence to charge Kane and it would be unfair to think that he did rape her but of course you can't prove it didn't happen.

That is why our legal system uses "not guilty" instead of "innocent".
From Seditas statement
The DNA results lend no corroboration whatsoever to the complainant’s claim of penetration, a required element of proof for a rape charge.
:lol: You are one obstinate fuck for sure. How does that statement not prove it didn't happen when by the definition of rape they are using there had to have been penetration?

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From Seditas statement
The DNA results lend no corroboration whatsoever to the complainant’s claim of penetration, a required element of proof for a rape charge.
:lol: You are one obstinate fuck for sure. How does that statement not prove it didn't happen when by the definition of rape they are using there had to have been penetration?
Because it doesn't?

That sentence means there is a lack of proof to substantiate a charge, which is consistent with what I am saying. It can't, and logically it never could, prove that a rape never occurred.

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From Seditas statement
The DNA results lend no corroboration whatsoever to the complainant’s claim of penetration, a required element of proof for a rape charge.
:lol: You are one obstinate fuck for sure. How does that statement not prove it didn't happen when by the definition of rape they are using there had to have been penetration?
Because it doesn't?

That sentence means there is a lack of proof to substantiate a charge, which is consistent with what I am saying. It can't, and logically it never could, prove that a rape never occurred.

What are you talking about?
How can it be rape without a sex act?


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Kane is in that rare breed of men who can fuck a woman and leave no physical traces that he did. Talk about a needle dick!!!

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What are you talking about?
How can it be rape without a sex act?
I don't understand this question.

The negative rape kit was a major reason why Kane wasn't charged. It just isn't definitive proof one way or another that a rape occurred. If it had been positive, the same would have been true.

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Score is doomed wrote:
What are you talking about?
How can it be rape without a sex act?
I don't understand this question.

The negative rape kit was a major reason why Kane wasn't charged. It just isn't definitive proof one way or another that a rape occurred. If it had been positive, the same would have been true.


God, do you just ignore facts for the hell of it? Read the statements, no sex occurred.
Believe what you want, just don't act like your beliefs are the truth.


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Believe what you want, just don't act like your beliefs are the truth.

Talk about a train that left the station and reached its destination on the other side of the country.

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Believe what you want, just don't act like your beliefs are the truth.

Talk about a train that left the station and reached its destination on the other side of the country.

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Kane is in that rare breed of men who can fuck a woman and leave no physical traces that he did. Talk about a needle dick!!!


Hahaha. I rarely say this, but me thinks BRick is on the wrong side of this one.

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Kane is in that rare breed of men who can fuck a woman and leave no physical traces that he did. Talk about a needle dick!!!


Hahaha. I rarely say this, but me thinks BRick is on the wrong side of this one.

He's just BRicking.

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If anything, people should be angry with her for making it more difficult for other women to make a legitimate rape accusation, not Kane or the DA.
Amen.

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Score is doomed wrote:
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What are you talking about?
How can it be rape without a sex act?
I don't understand this question.

The negative rape kit was a major reason why Kane wasn't charged. It just isn't definitive proof one way or another that a rape occurred. If it had been positive, the same would have been true.


God, do you just ignore facts for the hell of it? Read the statements, no sex occurred.
Believe what you want, just don't act like your beliefs are the truth.
I don't think it occurred either.

But, you have to understand that the concept here is PROVING that a rape didn't occur, which is virtually impossible outside of the accuser admitting they were lying.

Just like I can't prove that I didn't kill the Fox Lake police officer, but there is not enough evidence to think that I did.

I think a lot of you are just so emotional about this thing that you ignore basic legal concepts.

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denisdman wrote:
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Kane is in that rare breed of men who can fuck a woman and leave no physical traces that he did. Talk about a needle dick!!!


Hahaha. I rarely say this, but me thinks BRick is on the wrong side of this one.

He's just BRicking.


He has been on fire lately and doing fine work overall. I know he likes to argue to infinity, but most of his recent material has been good. On this one, I think you got him. I don't say all this lightly because I much prefer to be on the same side of one of his arguments. It's much easier on me.

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Kane is in that rare breed of men who can fuck a woman and leave no physical traces that he did. Talk about a needle dick!!!


Hahaha. I rarely say this, but me thinks BRick is on the wrong side of this one.
Are you saying it is possible to prove that a rape didn't occur outside of an accuser admitting they were lying?

Because, our whole legal system is pretty much built around the concept that you can't prove a negative.

The evidence points to Kane not raping her. I've made that clear. People are just so fired up about this case that someone saying "You can't really prove a negative" turns someone into a "obstinate fuck" when anyone who has ever watched an episode of Law and Order knows that is true.

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