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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:41 pm 
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You can't Brick me the day before I leave for Vegas!

Trick or BRick? I choose trick of the non tranny variety.
Oh, you are going to Vegas? Didn't know.

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Kane is in that rare breed of men who can fuck a woman and leave no physical traces that he did. Talk about a needle dick!!!


Hahaha. I rarely say this, but me thinks BRick is on the wrong side of this one.
Are you saying it is possible to prove that a rape didn't occur outside of an accuser admitting they were lying?

Because, our whole legal system is pretty much built around the concept that you can't prove a negative.

The evidence points to Kane not raping her. I've made that clear. People are just so fired up about this case that someone saying "You can't really prove a negative" turns someone into a "obstinate fuck" when anyone who has ever watched an episode of Law and Order knows that is true.

Easier question for you. Do you think he had not just forcible but ANY interxourse with her ?

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Easier question for you. Do you think he had not just forcible but ANY interxourse with her ?
Most likely not.

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Easier question for you. Do you think he had not just forcible but ANY interxourse with her ?
Most likely not.

Yes or no?

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Easier question for you. Do you think he had not just forcible but ANY interxourse with her ?
Most likely not.

Yes or no?
If you are going to make me choose one or the other I'll say no.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Easier question for you. Do you think he had not just forcible but ANY interxourse with her ?
Most likely not.

Yes or no?
If you are going to make me choose one or the other I'll say no.

No further questions your honor. :wink:

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No further questions your honor. :wink:
I've made it clear from the time of the evidence bag debacle that I believe Kane more than her.

But congratulations! :lol:

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No further questions your honor. :wink:
I've made it clear from the time of the evidence bag debacle that I believe Kane more than her.

But congratulations! :lol:

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I guess this is about the best outcome of this thing for Kane. It really never would have been satisfying if it had been taken to trial as he could have won on equality of the evidence on both sides. I think any Kane fan (which I am not because I only like hockey in June) can feel comfortable in supporting him after what we have seen here.

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I guess this is about the best outcome of this thing for Kane. It really never would have been satisfying if it had been taken to trial as he could have won on equality of the evidence on both sides. I think any Kane fan (which I am not because I only like hockey in June) can feel comfortable in supporting him after what we have seen here.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
denisdman wrote:
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Kane is in that rare breed of men who can fuck a woman and leave no physical traces that he did. Talk about a needle dick!!!


Hahaha. I rarely say this, but me thinks BRick is on the wrong side of this one.
Are you saying it is possible to prove that a rape didn't occur outside of an accuser admitting they were lying?


Yes.

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What are you talking about?
How can it be rape without a sex act?
I don't understand this question.

The negative rape kit was a major reason why Kane wasn't charged. It just isn't definitive proof one way or another that a rape occurred. If it had been positive, the same would have been true.


God, do you just ignore facts for the hell of it? Read the statements, no sex occurred.
Believe what you want, just don't act like your beliefs are the truth.
I don't think it occurred either.

But, you have to understand that the concept here is PROVING that a rape didn't occur, which is virtually impossible outside of the accuser admitting they were lying.

Just like I can't prove that I didn't kill the Fox Lake police officer, but there is not enough evidence to think that I did.

I think a lot of you are just so emotional about this thing that you ignore basic legal concepts.



You watch too much TV. Its called an alibi, with witnesses. If you aren't physically there, then you couldn't have done it. That was the problem here, Kane said he wasn't there and there wasn't anything evident to make his alibi wrong. Nothing either to contradict the witnesses to Kane's alibi.

Its like you accusing someone of butt-raping you, and having a sore ass meant that the person you're accusing is the rapist. But if that person has an alibi with witnesses, then you're mostly just butt hurt.

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Maybe Kane never came.

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Maybe Kane never came.

Holy shit , someone call Sedita up and show him this as I'm sure that during his investigation into determlning no evidence exists to prove rape that this never occurred to him . Reopen this case now

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Gloopan Kuratz wrote:
Maybe Kane never came.

No come no crime? It sounds close enough to be legal Latin.


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Plus, they didn't want to deter real rape victims from coming forward
in the future.
But he certainly did that in the press conference.

That is the problem. Saying "no charges are being filed due to lack of evidence" would have been enough for everyone involved.


Well, does he have an obligation to deter future accusers from falsely accusing people of rape?

Clearly, I am not a Kane fan boy and I actually hate hockey...

But a common argument here seems to be that these crazy Kane defenders should just admit that Kane may have raped a woman. But at this point, it seems much more likely that a woman falsely accused a man of rape. I don't know if the two are equivalent, but they can both ruin an innocent person's life. I don't really understand what saying "Kane might have raped a woman" even means at this point. Jimmy Butler might microwave cats. There's not any conclusive evidence that shows that either one of those is true. Just saying things does not make them true, nor should it cast a shadow on that person for the rest of their lives unless there is decent evidence to substantiate it.

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yep, his comments really show that this was a trumped up charge.

from the Trib

"In a strongly worded statement Thursday morning, Buffalo-area prosecutors shredded the accuser's allegation, saying there was no proof that she had been raped. They also suggested that Kane never behaved as if he had committed a crime — though he never spoke with authorities and has maintained an unusually low profile since the investigation began.


Without providing details, Erie County District Attorney Frank Sedita III said there were "significant material inconsistencies" between the woman's claims and those of other witnesses. He also said the physical evidence and forensic evidence "tend to contradict" her allegation that a rape took place in Kane's bed — where she apparently said it occurred.

Investigators said there was no proof she had been penetrated, an element that is required under New York law to bring a rape charge.



Though Kane "exercised" his right not to speak with investigators, Sedita said, the player never made any incriminating statements to witnesses and has not "engaged in any conduct consistent with the consciousness of guilt."

"The totality of the credible evidence — the proof — does not sufficiently substantiate the complainant's allegation that she was raped by Patrick Kane and this so-called 'case' is rife with reasonable doubt," Sedita said in the statement."


Not talking to police isn't acting like you didn't commit a crime.


Not talking to police is the first thing your lawyer tells you. Doesn't mean that Kane had anything to hide, but keeps him from saying something that he doesn't mean, like at the training camp press conference where he used a double-negative to describe his exoneration.


This.

A big dummy like Kaner is only going to get himself in trouble by opening his pie hole. Let the really smart lawyers do the talking.

Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.

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