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All you have to do is look at your Facebook feed to find a bunch of asswipes trying to shame you for your support of France when people are dying in Gaza and Syria every day.

This is what happens when people are taught that all ideas and cultures are equal. Personally, I support France because we have many shared values. Of course, I think it's sad when a baby dies in Gaza. But his daddy shouldn't have fired a rocket at Jews.

If you think that throwing homosexuals off buildings or making women wear bags on their heads and stoning them because they were raped are just different ways of doing things and blow it off as nothing more than a different culture equal to your own, I can't help you.

Imagine if Facebook had existed in 1940s and a bunch of people changed their avatars to a Pearl Harbor logo for the duration of the war only to be shamed by others who started whining about the bombing of Dresden.

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There were more people killed on the Russian plane.

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All you have to do is look at your Facebook feed to find a bunch of asswipes trying to shame you for your support of France when people are dying in Gaza and Syria every day.

This is what happens when people are taught that all ideas and cultures are equal. Personally, I support France because we have many shared values. Of course, I think it's sad when a baby dies in Gaza. But his daddy shouldn't have fired a rocket at Jews.

If you think that throwing homosexuals off buildings or making women wear bags on their heads and stoning them because they were raped are just different ways of doing things and blow it off as nothing more than a different culture equal to your own, I can't help you.

Imagine if Facebook had existed in 1940s and a bunch of people changed their avatars to a Pearl Harbor logo for the duration of the war only to be shamed by others who started whining about the bombing of Dresden.

So much of liberalism (a form of this probably applies to conservatism, too) is simply trying to out-liberal the other person. Always gotta be self-righteous or hip, or your too lazy or afraid to do your own thinking, so you go with the ease of processing route and simply agree. Always a gotcha game.

Multiculturalism has no balls and its rules cannot be applied outside its original contexts.


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There were more people killed on the Russian plane.

of which Russia denies ISIS did...

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I don't care what anyone chooses to get worked up about, but let's be honest... the amount of "concern" for any event is largely driven by media coverage.

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I don't care what anyone chooses to get worked up about, but let's be honest... the amount of "concern" for any event is largely driven by media coverage.


There's no doubt. And I don't discount that what the people look like is a factor.

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after about 3 days, there's usually something new for people to get outraged about. i feel bad for the actual victims rather than the self proclaimed victims of social media.


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417 official homicides in Chicago thus far in 2015.


None on Devon Avenue! That I know of.....

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 Post subject: Re: Multiculturalism
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417 official homicides in Chicago thus far in 2015.


None on Devon Avenue! That I know of.....

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There have been several, but it's mostly black and Latino gang members shooting it out while the Jews, Hindus, and Muslims get along, or at least ignore each other.

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 Post subject: Re: Multiculturalism
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after about 3 days, there's usually something new for people to get outraged about. i feel bad for the actual victims rather than the self proclaimed victims of social media.


Someone is bound to find another t-shirt or sweater at Target that they don't like which of course means that no one else should be able to like it or buy it, either.


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 Post subject: Re: Multiculturalism
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i'm not against the core concept of multiculturalism i.e. we can all get along together, but i am against forced migration of millions of people into traditionally "western" cities/countries with condescending smarmy people claiming that multiculturalism is the only way that society en masse can survive. quite honestly i think this pedantic "you need millions of muslims/africans/etc to enrich you and enable you to survive" bullshit is all a cover for the powers that be WANTING this influx of people to cause destabilization so people outright beg for police states and death of privacy as opposed to just having it gradually forced on us anyways over time because TPTB are gonna do what TPTB wanna do and it's only a matter of not pissing everyone off that much.

and honestly, if you HAVE to migrate millions of people into european countries that are roughly the size of one of our states, why dont you just give them a big ol city or two to have their sharia law and make up a sub-society as they see fit? if there's a vocal contingent of people who are displaced from their homelands who think sharia law is the one and only true way, well man, shit can you see new york getting nuked and the survivors are refugees shipped out to kabul and then the americans wont get off of the bus cuz the wifi is shitty?

btw i wanna point out that i dont put too much stock into those stats like "80% of muslims would prefer to live in a society under sharia law" cuz if you went and polled christians if they'd prefer to live in a society under christian law and principles then i think you'd get another high %age there. perhaps it's not and cut and dry cuz we've had hundreds of years of practice/propaganda evangelizing the separation of church and state, but a lot of muslims come from cultures/countries/civilizations that havent got those hundreds of years of conditioning like we've got, so i mean the equivalent would be going back to 1500-1600 and polling christians and asking if society should live under christian laws. of course they're gonna say yeah.... but that dosnt mean that 55% of that 80% are going to strap bombs to themselves to go to a baseball game to make it happen.

quite honestly i think most of that 80% of ppl are content with knowing they're going to outbreed us anyways over time and within a few generations they'll have the #s to make it happen, it's only a matter of whether not the idyllic police state that this is all set up to make us beg for is going to be able to curb that.... or hell maybe just give 1/2 of the world to muslims and then everyone else can go live under one world super police state government elsewhere? idk. it's gonna take ~50+ years to really see these "nightmare" scenarios play out so at least by then i'll be an old man mostly worried about if i'm shitting regularly so i'll do the most american thing possible and leave the problm for my grand/kids to deal with =D

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after about 3 days, there's usually something new for people to get outraged about. i feel bad for the actual victims rather than the self proclaimed victims of social media.


hey speaking of both of those things, did you see all the people down in #Mizzou all pissed off that this paris bullshit is causing people to stop paying attention to the REAL VICTIMS in our own backyard, aka all the people dealing with poop schwastikas and stuff way worse than 160 dead people in a world of 6-7bil?

here i cant get these tweets to copy and paste over (cuz i guess this site NEEDS the hits that badly to go out of their way to code in means of copying/pasting content) so check out this site and peep some of these deleted tweets and remember the REAL VICTIMS here >> http://therightscoop.com/un-effing-beli ... spotlight/

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 Post subject: Re: Multiculturalism
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btw i wanna point out that i dont put too much stock into those stats like "80% of muslims would prefer to live in a society under sharia law" cuz if you went and polled christians if they'd prefer to live in a society under christian law and principles then i think you'd get another high %age there. perhaps it's not and cut and dry cuz we've had hundreds of years of practice/propaganda evangelizing the separation of church and state, but a lot of muslims come from cultures/countries/civilizations that havent got those hundreds of years of conditioning like we've got, so i mean the equivalent would be going back to 1500-1600 and polling christians and asking if society should live under christian laws. of course they're gonna say yeah.... but that dosnt mean that 55% of that 80% are going to strap bombs to themselves to go to a baseball game to make it happen.


Sure, theory (which is what the hypothetical of a poll is) is different than practice. But there are inherent differences between Islam and Christianity, the largest for purposes of this discussion being the fact that Islam is a complete system for living that cannot be separated from government. They have no directive to "render unto Caesar".

And I just can't abide Muslims/Muslim sympathizers like Cenk Uygur and Reza Aslan deflecting discussion of every horrible action based on the core tenets of Islam in the present day by turning the conversation to bad Christian actions that occurred centuries ago.

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All you have to do is look at your Facebook feed to find a bunch of asswipes trying to shame you for your support of France when people are dying in Gaza and Syria every day.

This is what happens when people are taught that all ideas and cultures are equal. Personally, I support France because we have many shared values. Of course, I think it's sad when a baby dies in Gaza. But his daddy shouldn't have fired a rocket at Jews.

If you think that throwing homosexuals off buildings or making women wear bags on their heads and stoning them because they were raped are just different ways of doing things and blow it off as nothing more than a different culture equal to your own, I can't help you.

Imagine if Facebook had existed in 1940s and a bunch of people changed their avatars to a Pearl Harbor logo for the duration of the war only to be shamed by others who started whining about the bombing of Dresden.

Well said.

Such a shame that the students are Mizzou are having their moment stolen from them by the events of Paris. That is the real tragedy here.

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btw i wanna point out that i dont put too much stock into those stats like "80% of muslims would prefer to live in a society under sharia law" cuz if you went and polled christians if they'd prefer to live in a society under christian law and principles then i think you'd get another high %age there. perhaps it's not and cut and dry cuz we've had hundreds of years of practice/propaganda evangelizing the separation of church and state, but a lot of muslims come from cultures/countries/civilizations that havent got those hundreds of years of conditioning like we've got, so i mean the equivalent would be going back to 1500-1600 and polling christians and asking if society should live under christian laws. of course they're gonna say yeah.... but that dosnt mean that 55% of that 80% are going to strap bombs to themselves to go to a baseball game to make it happen.


Sure, theory (which is what the hypothetical of a poll is) is different than practice. But there are inherent differences between Islam and Christianity, the largest for purposes of this discussion being the fact that Islam is a complete system for living that cannot be separated from government. They have no directive to "render unto Caesar".

And I just can't abide Muslims/Muslim sympathizers like Cenk Uygur and Reza Aslan deflecting discussion of every horrible action based on the core tenets of Islam in the present day by turning the conversation to bad Christian actions that occurred centuries ago.


pretty much an entire continent rebelled against state sponsored religion hundreds of years ago. The Muslim world kind of did it to but fell back into it when their reforms only produced a better world for a few.

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My favorite was a SJW saying we shouldn't judge Islam because Christianity is 600 years older and has had that much more time to mature. Compare Islam today to Christianity of the 1400 and you see who the real barbarians is.

It really isn't fair to win arguments by using a premise that is so stupid as to leave ones opponent speachless.


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My favorite was a SJW saying we shouldn't judge Islam because Christianity is 600 years older and has had that much more time to mature. Compare Islam today to Christianity of the 1400 and you see who the real barbarians is.

It really isn't fair to win arguments by using a premise that is so stupid as to leave ones opponent speachless.


You can't judge anything because the Crusades happened.


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My favorite was a SJW saying we shouldn't judge Islam because Christianity is 600 years older and has had that much more time to mature. Compare Islam today to Christianity of the 1400 and you see who the real barbarians is.

It really isn't fair to win arguments by using a premise that is so stupid as to leave ones opponent speachless.


You can't judge anything because the Crusades happened.



Why did the Crusades happen?

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My favorite was a SJW saying we shouldn't judge Islam because Christianity is 600 years older and has had that much more time to mature. Compare Islam today to Christianity of the 1400 and you see who the real barbarians is.


More terrible things have been done in the name of a God that it's ridiculous.

What bugs me the most about people screaming to nuke the Muslims back to the Crusades is that those same people would call themselves "Christians".

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My favorite was a SJW saying we shouldn't judge Islam because Christianity is 600 years older and has had that much more time to mature. Compare Islam today to Christianity of the 1400 and you see who the real barbarians is.


More terrible things have been done in the name of a God that it's ridiculous.

What bugs me the most about people screaming to nuke the Muslims back to the Crusades is that those same people would call themselves "Christians".

But they wouldn't actually do it.

Would you rather give your average Christian or average Muslim an ICBM with a nuclear warhead? Like, who do you think would be more likely to actually have the nerve to press the button? We all know the answer.

The only two countries with substantial Muslim populations that have nuclear weapons are India and Pakistan, and they happened to be joined by the DPRK as the only nuclear powers who wont sign the CTBT. And that's just the start, its been a fucking adventure with them since day 1 when it comes to nuclear weapons. Pakistan has a habit of "losing" nukes and its government has been thoroughly infiltrated by Islamic fundamentalists, that and they go off threatening India every couple weeks.

I know the USA is the only country to actually use the damn things, but that was a very different era.


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Would you rather give your average Christian or average Muslim an ICBM with a nuclear warhead? Like, who do you think would be more likely to actually have the nerve to press the button? We all know the answer.


I don't honestly think either one would use it...and it's not the average Muslims that bother me...it's the militant ones.

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Would you rather give your average Christian or average Muslim an ICBM with a nuclear warhead? Like, who do you think would be more likely to actually have the nerve to press the button? We all know the answer.


I don't honestly think either one would use it...and it's not the average Muslims that bother me...it's the militant ones.


This guy gets it.

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Would you rather give your average Christian or average Muslim an ICBM with a nuclear warhead? Like, who do you think would be more likely to actually have the nerve to press the button? We all know the answer.


I don't honestly think either one would use it...and it's not the average Muslims that bother me...it's the militant ones.

Is supporting public beheadings for gays militant?* Because your average Muslim has no problem with that.

Is supporting the bombing of offices of cartoon magazines militant?** Again, no objections from your average Muslim!

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Those are the Wal-Mart/Fox News "Average Muslims". Do you know any? Have they personally told you these things? Or are you relying on an untrustworthy, fear mongering media for your information?

I'm not going to argue with you, because it's really hard to reason with the uninformed.

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Is supporting the bombing of offices of cartoon magazines militant?** Again, no objections from your average Muslim!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/0 ... 29710.html

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To be fair, I think there are far more militant Muslims than some acknowledge. Especially in their own region...but at the same time, I wonder how many of them truly believe this, or are just going along with it to avoid the harsh punishment of the militant ones.

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Is supporting the bombing of offices of cartoon magazines militant?** Again, no objections from your average Muslim!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/0 ... 29710.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... -many.html

That's in the UK. Even in the west, where common sense would lead you to expect the extremism to be almost non-existant, 1 out of every 4 is willing to admit sympathy for the perpetrators of the Charlie Hebdo attackers. America has pledged to take on 20,000 Syrian refugees, if 25% of them were full fledged supporters of the KKK would you be comfortable with them living on your block?


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I think the question to ask is, what Islamic beliefs must a person hold to be called a Muslim? Can you eat pork and still be a Muslim? Can you support gay marriage and still be a Muslim? What are the core tenets of Islam? Is the desire for a worldwide caliphate a key part of Islam? Is global jihad demanded by the Koran? And if one doesn't subscribe to any of these beliefs, why are they identifying as Muslim?

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