Again, no objections from your average Muslim!

There was some objection.

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If strict adherence to the central book of tenets of the faith is necessary to define one as a member of that faith, are there really many Catholics/Christians/Jews/etc?

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From the PR conscious leadership, sure. You dont expect some council on anglo-muslim relations to publicly celebrate terrorist attacks do you?

I don't think so. But that's kind of the point. I would never call myself a Catholic, though I'm sure my family members consider me one. If I really believed the Catholicism that I was taught, I wouldn't do half the shit I have done for fear of going to hell. How about you? I think there is a much larger percentage of true believers within Islam. Its members simply haven't become as secularized as to the degree that members of the other religions have.

The poll numbers show that huge numbers of Muslims hold many of these reprehensible beliefs.
And none of those other religions feature doctrine that demands the killing of non-believers.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Who here has actually read the bible cover to cover?

Hank Scorpio.

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That one with the blonde Jesus when I was a kid.

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I don't remember half the time if I'm hiding or I'm lost

We can't even get Western secular liberals to agree that the Charlie Hebdo murders were bad and we expect that Muslims will?

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I have, often with the help of the Bible as Literature classes. Not sure which is more amazing: the stuff that's in there or the stuff that you'd expect to be or were told is in there but isn't.

I wish I did. Reading the bible as a kid is such a blue collar relic, dusting the soot from nearby US Steel plant off the cover before sneaking in a few passages under candlelight. Then comes the teenage years and the fervent rebellion "you dont owe nothin, boy get runnin'!"

I don't remember how far Hank actually got.

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I have far better things to do with my time.

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The major difference here is that fanatical Islam is bred in states that are controlled by Islam. So, it is like many of these people are brainwashed and there isn't really a good solution.

To use a different example, we have the example of those who were raised while slavery existed, and to a lesser degree, those who were raised while segregation existed. Many of them ended up being lost causes for actual change. It's sad that is the way it is but the environment you grow up in can do that.

That is why accepting a massive amounts of refugees from those countries is such a problem. They aren't inherently bad people. It's just how they have been living their whole life.

The only true way out is for those countries to enter the 21st century. Otherwise, this will always be an issue.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Strict adherence to a central book of tenets as a sole basis for belief is not a necessary characteristic of Catholicism.

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Really good article on the ISIS:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
So for all those who are saying they are not espousing the true face of Islam it puts that lie to rest fairly easy.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

That's the "You are not required to have strict adherence to this passage unless it has to do with gay people" clause as introduced by Pope Pius XI!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

pretty much go to mass and pony up the dough and you are good to be called Catholic, officially.

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Rauner just closed the Illinois border to the Refugees

RPB is breaking news central today

Well, I would disagree with that thought. The only requirement for being a Christian is to accept Jesus Christ as one's personal savior (John 3:16), but Catholcism is a whole different ballgame. You come off as a lot more Christ-y than the average Catholic.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Maybe where you live. My how the old neighborhood has collapsed.

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"sole basis" is the operative phrase.

And if you can show me where Jesus ever used the term "personal savior", it would appreciated. No one has ever been able to find it for me.

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It's on the same page where he says that gay marriage is wrong.

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He's crystal clear on what marriage is.

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multiculturalism is unattainable if cultures maintain their core tenants. the end game for muslim culture is much different than the jews, christians, atheists, buddhists, etc etc etc. so that means these cultures have to change which issentially means changing the fundamental reasons they are a different culture in the first place.

Diversity, historically, hasn't really ever worked. And I can't see that we are that far advanced as a species where it can now.

This is why I get annoyed with the "all religions are bad" line. Be that as it may, some religions are worse than others. Judaism isn't terribly concerned with the afterlife; it exists as a survival guide to the world we're in and is greatly concerned with making the world a better place. Islam, like fundamentalist Christian sects, doesn't give a shit. Sure, trash the hotel room, we're not staying! I believe that disparate cultures can find common ground, but not on the issue of "does the world we live in matter?" where some say yes and others say no.

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I think that is right after the part where he told the Cubs not to win anything until he gets back.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Michigan did it yesterday. Add to the fact that Obama is now talking again of closing GITMO.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Well, I'm sure you get the idea of what a personal savior is:

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

The average Catholic breaks half the Commandments before Sunday brunch, graven images, false gods, etc.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

were you sniffing glue during religion class?

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