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It is interesting that many of the people who scream "Gun Control" after every attack here are quiet about it with regards to France.

That's more of a domestic issue for most people though
France has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world.

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It is interesting that many of the people who scream "Gun Control" after every attack here are quiet about it with regards to France.

That's more of a domestic issue for most people though
France has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world.


They don't have many shootings either

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 Post subject: Re: Dumb Facebook People
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It is interesting that many of the people who scream "Gun Control" after every attack here are quiet about it with regards to France.

That's more of a domestic issue for most people though

I might be wrong, but isn't usually one of the arguments that other countries don't have these issues like we do?

True, but I think most people you hear in this country want to change American laws. That's not at play here.


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Knowing geography outside of your home area is one of the most useless pieces of information you can have.


You seem to have the strange idea that the only "useful" information is that which helps you buy the things you need/want.
It has nothing to do with buying things. I just can't come up with a way it would be useful especially in the age of technology where my phone can tell me the information in about 3 seconds.


There are a lot of dumb people with smart phones in their pockets.


Remember in school, when you wanted to use a calculator, and the teacher would ask you, "do you think that you are going to have a calculator in your pocket at all times?"

Yup.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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It is interesting that many of the people who scream "Gun Control" after every attack here are quiet about it with regards to France.

That's more of a domestic issue for most people though
France has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world.

I dont see how that changes what I said.

My point is if it happened here, you would hear more because its something we (young americans) can change


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That's what I'm saying though. Simply knowing the standard formula to do something isn't as important as being able to think critically about it. Your complain was that they don't problem solve or fail. That is what they are doing. Math for me was pretty much just "memorize the process and then do it" which is fine until you no longer need to multiply 1,562 by 1,222 which is pretty much never needed and can be done easily with a computer/calculator/smartphone.


They aren't teaching either well. They will always have to carryout the operations with common core because they no longer memorize facts. I don't think they will be successful with word problems or algebraic expressions under common core either. They are taught to use bar models and guess and check methods. They have no idea what balancing an equation or using substitution methods or anything means. There is little base, so when they do fail, they have no idea why or why their thinking was wrong. I can do these problems mostly because I know what needs to be done. I can't explain it using their method because there is little reason behind it. You just think that way (process) with out being taught how or why to think that way. It's bizarre. We aren't into geometry yet but I fully expect to see a problem solving for a side of a right angle triangle without the pythagorean theorem.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb Facebook People
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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It is interesting that many of the people who scream "Gun Control" after every attack here are quiet about it with regards to France.

That's more of a domestic issue for most people though
France has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world.

I dont see how that changes what I said.

My point is if it happened here, you would hear more because its something we (young americans) can change
It's very common to point to Europe as an example of why they do things better.

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It is interesting that many of the people who scream "Gun Control" after every attack here are quiet about it with regards to France.


The other side has already gotten in front of politicizing this tragedy.

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The United States bombed 116 ISIS fuel trucks yesterday. I'm sure the person who posted that picture knows that.


Or that he's probably been responsible for the deaths of more innocent Muslims than all the terrorist organizations combined in the past 7 years.


Well, one cannot be expected to have any knowledge of the current situation, when they watch garbage like this:

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It is interesting that many of the people who scream "Gun Control" after every attack here are quiet about it with regards to France.


The other side has already gotten in front of politicizing this tragedy.
Isn't that fair game though? Shootings here get politicized almost instantly.

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It focuses on the process more than memorization of facts.

Also, we should point out that as Spaulding's post indicates Common Core is about more than how to do Math. It's a whole system.

I dont mind the Math part, but some of the testing methods and focus is crazy, imo


I have issues with all of it. On my sons last test he was asked about greek root words. They don't use the results from 1 of the tests.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb Facebook People
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They aren't teaching either well. They will always have to carryout the operations with common core because they no longer memorize facts. I don't think they will be successful with word problems or algebraic expressions under common core either.

Im not sure about anyone else's experience but memorizing facts is still a part of my daughter's curriculum. I disagree about word problems. Word problems are all about the process (which is the focus here)


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It's very common to point to Europe as an example of why they do things better.

Fair enough but the fact that it didnt happen here is still a big reason why you dont hear it as loud.


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That's what I'm saying though. Simply knowing the standard formula to do something isn't as important as being able to think critically about it. Your complain was that they don't problem solve or fail. That is what they are doing. Math for me was pretty much just "memorize the process and then do it" which is fine until you no longer need to multiply 1,562 by 1,222 which is pretty much never needed and can be done easily with a computer/calculator/smartphone.


They aren't teaching either well. They will always have to carryout the operations with common core because they no longer memorize facts. I don't think they will be successful with word problems or algebraic expressions under common core either. They are taught to use bar models and guess and check methods. They have no idea what balancing an equation or using substitution methods or anything means. There is little base, so when they do fail, they have no idea why or why their thinking was wrong. I can do these problems mostly because I know what needs to be done. I can't explain it using their method because there is little reason behind it. You just think that way (process) with out being taught how or why to think that way. It's bizarre. We aren't into geometry yet but I fully expect to see a problem solving for a side of a right angle triangle without the pythagorean theorem.
I can't really speak as to how well they are doing it by you(or by me to be honest).

I'm just saying what the theory about it seems to be.

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I will never tell my kids their work or anything else is too hard. The last thing they need is me giving them an excuse. I never understood why parents think that's helpful. I believe it usually means that the parent doesn’t understand it and they are too lazy to try. There are so many tools available for them if they cared to put forth the effort to help their children.


Neither have I. We do the work given but I do think the some of the concepts are too hard and the way they are teaching it is dumb. We now work on extra problems for an hour 4 times a week. He is not a huge fan.


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I will never tell my kids their work or anything else is too hard. The last thing they need is me giving them an excuse. I never understood why parents think that's helpful. I believe it usually means that the parent doesn’t understand it and they are too lazy to try. There are so many tools available for them if they cared to put forth the effort to help their children.


Neither have I. We do the work given but I do think the some of the concepts are too hard and the way they are teaching it is dumb. We now work on extra problems for an hour 4 times a week. He is not a huge fan.


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France has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world.


Maybe their issue was immigration laws.


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I'm not a huge fan either. I know he would get this in 2-3 years being taught how to balance both sides of an equation.


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I can't really speak as to how well they are doing it by you(or by me to be honest).

I'm just saying what the theory about it seems to be.


The theoretically world. It works great in theory.


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It is interesting that many of the people who scream "Gun Control" after every attack here are quiet about it with regards to France.


The other side has already gotten in front of politicizing this tragedy.
Isn't that fair game though? Shootings here get politicized almost instantly.


It seems that everything is fair game these days. My point is that the right shouts that we shouldn't politicize tragedies, when the left does it. But, it's okay for them to do it, namely Newt Gingrich, in this instance.

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It seems that everything is fair game these days. My point is that the right shouts that we shouldn't politicize tragedies, when the left does it. But, it's okay for them to do it, namely Newt Gingrich, in this instance.
So both sides are hypocrites?

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The refugee issue is an understandably tricky and emotional one. However, the anti-Muslim sentiment becoming prevalent not only on Facebook but just in daily interactions is beyond disturbing. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few hate crimes within the next couple months.

I'll put my money on Arizona.

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It seems that everything is fair game these days. My point is that the right shouts that we shouldn't politicize tragedies, when the left does it. But, it's okay for them to do it, namely Newt Gingrich, in this instance.
So both sides are hypocrites?


Is there a lot of "it's too soon to talk about it" coming from the left? I'm not saying there isn't, but it sure seems that this line of thinking is pretty one sided.

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It's all spin. The news reporting is mostly alarmist, so it's hard to watch these days. I catch quite a bit of the Sunday morning talk show circuit, and everyone just spins any event to suit their political interests.

You really can't watch Fox News or MSNBC and come away with a realistic view of the world. CNN has gone tabloid and is over the top with talking heads. PBS still does a solid job, but you basically get one hour per night of global/national news followed by one our of Chicago tonight. NPR is ok, but I am still avoiding it over the Juan Williams crap.

In print, I like the WSJ, but that is obviously slanted rightward. The Economist is the best publication overall with excellent global reporting, but they have a lot of biases as well. They are extremely interventionist and a huge proponent of mass migration. I am not a NY Times reader, but they seem to have solid reporting on the few stories I see.


Is it any shock that Americans are woefully uniformed on global matters. As Chus has pointed out above, people are being informed by Fox News. I had to turn that crap off because I refuse to watch propaganda 24/7. And MSNBC is not any better. They just have less impact because their ratings are lower.

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CNN has gone tabloid and is over the top with talking heads.


I can't even think of the proper label for CNN, but it hardly seems like a news network anymore. They want to be first, so they go with false information. They were just throwing shit at the wall, hoping something would stick with Sandy Hook, the former California cop who was shooting cops, the missing Malaysian jet, etc. How does anybody watch that network?

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I'm against a $15 minimum wage, but these types of memes completely miss the point, and they are all over the place whenever this comes up.

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I'm against a $15 minimum wage, but these types of memes completely miss the point, and they are all over the place whenever this comes up.

Great one.

I wish we could at least argue the argument. No one wants McDonalds workers to make 15 and Emt's to make 11


Its like the people who start the drug testing argument with "hey, if its ok to drug test me for work..."

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