but if they had the ROY, MVP, CY and MOY, then those expectations were horribly incorrect and the team actually underachieved by not being the in the world series.

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Im not at all talking about the manager.

They had the 3rd best record in baseball. To say they were a third place team as some sort of knock is ignorance. Any team would take 97 wins and a playoff birth.

No, it was the Front Office of the Year award winner's fault by not coming out of camp with their best player

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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You've shown yourself to be one that cannot have an honest baseball discussion. There was nothing more to be said.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Ah, that memorable Seattle Mariners team

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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JORR,

I always enjoy your opinions,but this time you have to be pulling our collective legs. An old guy wants to stay warm and that makes him a bad manager?

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

This is where Sir did such an excellent job yesterday. People who want to quantify Maddon's presence desperately need factors they can plug into an equation. They end up stretching to show him as some cutting edge field manager whose work is resulting in wins and it never really adds up. I do believe he is a great manager of people. That is where he has his impact. However, that is a soft science.

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And men have lost their reason.

I didnt say anything about being memorable or celebrated. But when discussing ti to act like 97 wins was not a great regular season is ridiculous.

But we are told by the baseball illuminati that regular season record is the best measure of a team and the job done by the team/manager/gm/savior.

So that does make the third place finish relevant. It doesn't mean that the Cubs suck but it is relevant.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Actually,isn't that the 3rd best record in baseball,also?

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

The pure genius of batting the pitcher 8th was all it took. Now everyone will do it, except the Neanderthals.

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Take that Royals!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It was like 45 degrees out too. If it were 20 I'd get it, but it wasn't. It was right at the temperature that can feel miserable if you choose to dwell on it, and sure enough Merlot Joe dressed for a polar expedition.

Its a purposely out of context misguided attempt at a shot.

Third best record in all of baseball. Its a lame way to try and take a shot no matter how you slice it.

Stop. No one is saying that.

Just be real. The Cubs had a great regular season. Saying they finished third as some sort of shot is dumb.

Which is why Matheny should've won it then.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Royals won 2 games less than the Coob.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Poor Royals.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

They absolutely did, and I have never really denied that. That was meant for INQUISITOR who loves to point out some of the bad moves Hahn has made and the White Sox record over the last 2-3 years. The fact is that when people look up the standings of the 2015 season, next to Cubs it will say "Third Place."

Ok, Mr "I am the most objectionable baseball poster here." The shade on your Cubbie blue glasses is barely a notch or two lighter than the ones Elmhurst Steve wears.

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This award does not take away the stain of him being a back stabbing SOB who deserves the same treatment at some point in his own life. I don't mind someone with ambition but don't come at me with the fake "peace, love, dope" bullshit while, in truth, you are willing to be immoral/unethical when given the slightest incentive.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Dude, OKC has been gone awhile now. Let it go.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

The funniest thing I heard last week was bernstein saying that Maddon had no idea that he could opt out of his contract if Friedman left.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

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Kenny Williams fell for the banana in the tailpipe

Of course it is. Look at the thread. There's like 2 or 3 Cubs fans that have even posted, and it's four pages long. I do love my Sox fan brethren and their FOCUS on derailing any success the Cubs celebrate (even an award as meaningless as MOTY). The fact is there is little to criticize about the Cubs season last year, considering how much they improved over the prior year (though I know they will continue to try). It may not mean anything going forward, but it was a great, fun year.

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8 different Cubs fans posted on the first page.

WYC?

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Really? You don't think continuing to point out that a team that went to the NLCS was in third place (despite the fact that yours was in the bottom third of baseball) is objective?

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I just want you to admit that regular season wins alone is not the best way to judge a season.

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We just had this conversation like a month ago, but I will restate my thoughts.

There is no "best" way. The regular season and the playoffs are basically two different games.

The regular season has so many games that it eliminates any anomolies or freak occurrences due to a massive sample size. It does this much better than the playoffs do, for obvious reasons.

However, the playoffs are going to highlight high-end talent, particularly starting pitching, since the number of games are so low that starting pitchers can throw on less rest and pitching has less variability than hitting.

That said, the way MLB chooses to crown a winner is through a playoff system, so the winner, obviously, is the WS champion.

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another advocate of just being competitive

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

So did the Royals and Mets do a better job this year than the Cubs?

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