Interesting debate on "Don't call it Tranny" today... Goffralopithicus (phone autocorrects to "Goff Fallout Highs" which prolly happens like ~2hrs after he leaves =) asked the guys if Kevin Garnett would have done as much or more than Tim Duncan if he was on the Spurs in place of Tim Duncan.

Personally, I think Tim Duncan is relatively underrated and he has a better overall offensive game than Garnett and thus the Garnett-Spurs have less than the Duncan-Spurs have gotten since that hybrid Robinson/Duncan Spurs championship team. Maybe it's just 1 title less, but it's still less because I think Tim Duncan > Kevin Garnett.

What do you guys think tho? LIGHT EM UP!!!!

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Duncan has been very fortunate. He's rated as the best PF of all-time so I think his rating is fine.

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They're both nominally PFs but were pretty different. Duncan is far stronger so he was always a better interior defender, whereas KG was a freak who could switch out on the perimeter and provide better help.

It also has meant that Duncan was able to age more gracefully as his athleticism declined since he didn't need it as much. Though maybe that was also helped by playing in SA and not needing as many miles put on him.

Anyway, I'll go with whatever is the opposite of Goff's opinion, that's treated me pretty well in NBA arguments.

Is either better than Carmelo MOTHER EFFING Anthony?

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Those around Duncan have been even more fortunate. It's rare that one of the best players of all time in a sport plays for almost two decades with one team, never misses the playoffs, and never once alienates his teammates or coaches.

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As usual Goff doesn't know shit....Duncan is even better at complaining to the refs than KG

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also I hope it was brought up that both are better than Kobe Bryant

Mano and Parker said he was a dick. Wouldn't talk to either of them until they were good enough to talk to him. It wasn't reported the same way because they were in San Antonio. Duncan is the luckiest superstar ever

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I didn't even realize this was a debate that goes on anymore. People extrapolating anywhere near the same amount of success for Garnett with Duncan's pieces are only slightly sillier than those who say the retiring chucker is the best player of this generation over Duncan.

Garnett is a loser who cried when John Thompson called him out for the fake #1 that he is.

Kobe has had a more successful career. Kobe also hasn't been a role player on a championship team. #Facts

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It's pretty well known those rumors were never true, which is why they died 10 years ago. Kobe was luckier than Duncan was, he just didn't realize it at the time and blew it. If Duncan played with Phil and a guy of Shaq's caliber he would have won 8 rings.

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Duncan has never been a role player either. Everything Kobe has done Duncan has equaled or done better at. It's a pretty easy decision to take Duncan over Kobe. And he's not even done yet.

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Yea, making an argument for lucky superstars.

Hey, kid, how bout you play for L.A. not Charlotte?

Oh and here is the most dominant player in the NBA and best coach, have a good career!

I actually attempted to call them yrs ago about this very topic. Can't remember if I actually got on the air. Goff used to be in the Garnett camp yrs ago. Don't listen as much these days so I don't know his current stance.

Duncan is better. For yrs Garnett couldn't even get out of the first round of the playoffs. Only did so once Cassell and Sprewell came along.

Its one of the things that Marbury complained about early in his career and he was pretty accurate on this point. Garnett has never been a big shot creator or maker. He has always needed guys that could create their own shot around him. Cassell and Sprewell filled that role for a yr or two and so did Pierce and Allen.

Duncan was a guy you could run your offense through, Garnett wasn't. Duncan also required a double team and Garnett didn't. Both were good to great defenders so that is pretty much a wash.

Goff sounds stupid asking the question about switching teams. Duncan won a championship with Avery Johnson as his starting point and Bruce Bowen as his starting small forward. Garnett couldn't get out of the first round with that type of talent around him.

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Tony Parker said it in an interview during the Finals a couple years ago. He said Duncan was just trying to push him to get better. Smush Parker said Kobe told him that because he hated him and it ruined his confidence. Duncan never had a guy like Shaq on his team. David Robinson was selfless and passed the torch to Duncan. Shaq was stubborn and refused to pass the torch to Kobe even though it was clearly time.

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How about you go play for a championship ready team in your first season? We're going to fire 1 coach in bring in a top 3 coach in the history of the NBA. We're also going to surround you with 2 selfless stars.

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David Robinson was essentially a defensive minded role player once Duncan came along. He wasn't a dominant center at that particular stage of his career. Duncan won championships without Robinson. Robinson has never been to the finals without Duncan. I don't think he ever played in a conf. finals series without Duncan. Maybe against Houston but I thought that was a semi final round.

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You are using the term star very loosely if you're tagging Tony Parker with it. Pop never coached a game before Duncan showed up, so the top 3 coach thing is disingenuous, at best. Phil was a made man when he showed up in LA, same with Shaq. Parker, Pop, and Manu owe at least as much to Duncan as he does to them. Not the case with Kobe : Shaq/Phil

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Shaq needed Kobe to win though. If Shaq was like Duncan or Robinson the Lakers win 8 titles. All Kobe wanted was for Shaq to consider him an equal and Shaq kept calling him his little brother when Kobe was clearly better.

From players to coaches and management Duncan has been fortunate. It doesn't take away from his greatness but it is a fact. Still never won back to back.

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Quit the Kobe slobbering #unbecuming

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I'm out.

I WILL NOT! I'm mourning and everyone else is hating on my guy.

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garnett could not sniff duncans jock on his best day.

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Not as fundamentally sound but I wouldn't go that far. Garnett was more of a #2.

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Agreed. Garnett was the ultimate complementary guy, not someone who dominated the game with his ability to score; great all-around player though and can guard multiple positions. He filled out a stat sheet as well as anyone in the game for years. Duncan was a great low post scorer and interior defender. Totally different kind of players, but both were great, all-time greats.

Not dissing Garnett. He was really good. Just not in Duncans world, and he wouldn't have been if he had been in SA

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Garnett vs Dirk is a far closer and more interesting debate than Garnett vs Duncan.

He would have been a great #2 to Kobe. They both wanted to win more than anything. I don't think he would have had similar success in San Antonio either. Maybe he win 1.

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Agreed

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I remember Dirk getting the best of Garnett early in his career. Some of those early playoff series pitted Dirk against Garnett. I remember Garnett trying to do his jedi mind trick as a way of getting in Dirk's head.

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