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I'm glad Cubs weren't second. There was no reason to be anywhere near $217M. Cubs made another smart move.


Yup. $31 million per year & $1 million per start is fucking ridiculous. Good luck with that Boston.


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I'm glad Cubs weren't second. There was no reason to be anywhere near $217M. Cubs made another smart move.


Yup. $31 million per year & $1 million per start is fucking ridiculous. Good luck with that Boston.
It will be worth every penny and them some if the Red Sox win another World Series while Price is there. While I agree that the price tag was incredibly high, it should not be out of reach for the Cubs if everything they have told us is true. There is no reason not to spend money on the team now. You don't want this to turn into a 'Carlos Boozer consolation prize' type free ajent acquisition.

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Every winter- and this predates Theo- I hear the ridiculous theory that everyone wants to play for the Cubs. A couple months back the narrative was that Price would take less to be part of the "great things happening in Chicago". Nobody cares about playing for the Cubs. They want the most money. Andre Dawson was an anomaly many years ago.

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An article I saw said that Ricketts has only given Theo an extra $20 million this year to add to payroll.

So much for Ricketts just wanting to pay down his debt and then banking that money for the future.

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If that is the case, then that is really sad. All those years of tanking-- and now with the team seemingly being real close to winning-- the owner refuses to spend any more than he has to.

Theo and Jed are really going to need to work some magic in trades, because with the guys they will offer arbitration to (Arietta, Coghlan, Rondon, etc) that "extra" $20mil is going to disappear real quick.

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An article I saw said that Ricketts has only given Theo an extra $20 million this year to add to payroll.

So much for Ricketts just wanting to pay down his debt and then banking that money for the future.


This is what I was afraid of "for" Cub fans. I was never convinced the endless streams of revenue would be made available right away. They seemed to me to have to pay down some investment to create those streams.

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This is hilarious. And predictable.

You are fools. You want the Cubs to ignore all the progress made toward building an organization with sustained success to go back to the Jim Hendry era.

Shut the fuck up. Seriously. You don't know shit. You're not objective, and you're not fans. You're solely trying to find angles to incite Cubs fans to be upset when we are beginning the most fun period in Cubs history.

Please...deny that you are jealous. Deny it until you're blue in the face. All of you respond to this post telling me this, that and the third as to why I'm wrong.

Or shut the fuck up. Probably the better route.

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 Post subject: Re: David Price to Cubs?
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This is hilarious. And predictable.

You are fools. You want the Cubs to ignore all the progress made toward building an organization with sustained success to go back to the Jim Hendry era.

Shut the fuck up. Seriously. You don't know shit. You're not objective, and you're not fans. You're solely trying to find angles to incite Cubs fans to be upset when we are beginning the most fun period in Cubs history.

Please...deny that you are jealous. Deny it until you're blue in the face. All of you respond to this post telling me this, that and the third as to why I'm wrong.

Or shut the fuck up. Probably the better route.


Are you going to deny that a significant portion of the Cub fan base did not covet Price? Are you going to go even further and deny that some thought there was an in for the acquisition due to Maddon?

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This is hilarious. And predictable.

You are fools. You want the Cubs to ignore all the progress made toward building an organization with sustained success to go back to the Jim Hendry era.

Shut the fuck up. Seriously. You don't know shit. You're not objective, and you're not fans. You're solely trying to find angles to incite Cubs fans to be upset when we are beginning the most fun period in Cubs history.

Please...deny that you are jealous. Deny it until you're blue in the face. All of you respond to this post telling me this, that and the third as to why I'm wrong.

Or shut the fuck up. Probably the better route.
I'm jealous of the Red Sox.

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Price was too much money, the overwhelming majority of Cub fans understand that.. Whoever said 20 million was Epstein's ceiling to increase payroll this year is a fuckin idiot and talking out of their ass.. Who wrote that "article "

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You're not objective, and you're not fans. You're solely trying to find angles to incite Cubs fans to be upset when we are beginning the most fun period in Cubs history.
:lol: Neither are you, and next year's playoffs are promised to no team. Not even your beloved Cubbies.

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Price was too much money, the overwhelming majority of Cub fans understand that.. Whoever said 20 million was Epstein's ceiling to increase payroll this year is a fuckin idiot and talking out of their ass.. Who wrote that "article "
http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/theo-epstein-doubts-cubs-can-sign-two-free-agents-100-million-rangehttp://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2015/11/rosenthal-cubs-have-about-20m-they-can-add-to-payroll/

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Are you going to deny that a significant portion of the Cub fan base did not covet Price? Are you going to go even further and deny that some thought there was an in for the acquisition due to Maddon?

Not at $217M.

I really want an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio. I'm not going to pay $200,000 for it. I want a 60" 4K 240hz TV...but I'm not going to pay $5,000 for it.

7 and $217M is dumb for Price. This is a move that will hurt that organization more than it helps. I could not be more ecstatic that the Cubs avoided this. Price for 5 years and $27M a year? Cubs fans would have been on board.

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Good no sign. I wanted Price but $30 million a year for a guy who hasnt done shit in the postaeason? Fuck outta here.


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If Price gets $31 mil per, WTF is Groenke gonna get?

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Price was too much money, the overwhelming majority of Cub fans understand that.. Whoever said 20 million was Epstein's ceiling to increase payroll this year is a fuckin idiot and talking out of their ass.. Who wrote that "article "


I thought Theo had some magic amount of money guaranteed to him by Ricketts for showing restraint during his first three years. I certainly have heard it reported on several occasions.

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Are you going to deny that a significant portion of the Cub fan base did not covet Price? Are you going to go even further and deny that some thought there was an in for the acquisition due to Maddon?

Not at $217M.

I really want an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio. I'm not going to pay $200,000 for it. I want a 60" 4K 240hz TV...but I'm not going to pay $5,000 for it.



Well we can still laugh at Cub fan expectations that they actually thought they could get him for less or the Maddon factor.

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Price was too much money, the overwhelming majority of Cub fans understand that.. Whoever said 20 million was Epstein's ceiling to increase payroll this year is a fuckin idiot and talking out of their ass.. Who wrote that "article "


I thought Theo had some magic amount of money guaranteed to him by Ricketts for showing restraint during his first three years. I certainly have heard it reported on several occasions.


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This is hilarious. And predictable.

You are fools. You want the Cubs to ignore all the progress made toward building an organization with sustained success to go back to the Jim Hendry era.

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Hot Carl Edwards going to be manning that 5th spot in the rotation for you. Otherwise, they are going to have to go the Hendry route simply to field a starting five.

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The Cubs are now able to obtain, if they want... Heyward, Lackey, trade for another young, cost-controlled middle of the rotation pitcher, and improve depth/bullpen. That would not be possible with $31M allocated just to Price over the next 7 years. The Cubs also will need to pay Arrieta, and then in a few more years, extend the plethora of position players. Ricketts will be spending money, and lots of it.

And hopefully 100% of it is smart money.
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Well we can still laugh at Cub fan expectations that they actually thought they could get him for less or the Maddon factor.

Please find all quotes that state "Price will be a Cub for a discounted rate because of Maddon." Post every single one here.

I think Imaginary CSFMB is passing up Imaginary Radio.

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The Cubs already have 2 top notch starters,what they need is depth after 1 & 2. I'd be happy with 3 "2nd tier " starters. Who knows if you sign a guy who turns in to something. Also,guys on their own staff might have bounce back years,too.

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Are you going to deny that a significant portion of the Cub fan base did not covet Price? Are you going to go even further and deny that some thought there was an in for the acquisition due to Maddon?

Not at $217M.

I really want an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio. I'm not going to pay $200,000 for it. I want a 60" 4K 240hz TV...but I'm not going to pay $5,000 for it.

7 and $217M is dumb for Price. This is a move that will hurt that organization more than it helps. I could not be more ecstatic that the Cubs avoided this. Price for 5 years and $27M a year? Cubs fans would have been on board.


But that price was entirely forseeable (note I said he would get Scherzer money on page 1). Why pretend they were in the market. It would be like you wanting that Alfa and going to the dealership to waste the salesman's time knowing you didn't have the money to even buy the steering wheel.

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I thought Theo had some magic amount of money guaranteed to him by Ricketts for showing restraint during his first three years. I certainly have heard it reported on several occasions.
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The Cubs are now able to obtain, if they want... Heyward, Lackey, trade for another young, cost-controlled middle of the rotation pitcher, and improve depth/bullpen. That would not be possible with $31M allocated just to Price over the next 7 years. The Cubs also will need to pay Arrieta, and then in a few more years, extend the plethora of position players. Ricketts will be spending money, and lots of it.

And hopefully 100% of it is smart money.
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Well we can still laugh at Cub fan expectations that they actually thought they could get him for less or the Maddon factor.

Please find all quotes that state "Price will be a Cub for a discounted rate because of Maddon." Post every single one here.

I think Imaginary CSFMB is passing up Imaginary Radio.


Don't worry, I'm sure Ben Zobrist's people are on the phone with Theo offering to play for the minimum next year.

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Price was too much money, the overwhelming majority of Cub fans understand that.. Whoever said 20 million was Epstein's ceiling to increase payroll this year is a fuckin idiot and talking out of their ass.. Who wrote that "article "


I thought Theo had some magic amount of money guaranteed to him by Ricketts for showing restraint during his first three years. I certainly have heard it reported on several occasions.





I have no idea what agreement they came to, I'm confident the payroll will be 150 million or more.. Epstein isn't going to tell these clowns how much he's got to work with.. He will see what he thinks is the best move and sell Rickets on it.. Don't forget Tom Ricketts is a dummy and other than having his daddy buy the team ..has very little to do with anything baseball related. I'd love to land Cueto @ 6-175 ..trade Soler and Baez for Shelby Miller.

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Crazy money. Stupid, really.

That means at some during the negotiations, the Red Sox offered $30M/per and Price said "I'm gonna need a little more".*
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Are you going to deny that a significant portion of the Cub fan base did not covet Price? Are you going to go even further and deny that some thought there was an in for the acquisition due to Maddon?

Not at $217M.

I really want an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio. I'm not going to pay $200,000 for it. I want a 60" 4K 240hz TV...but I'm not going to pay $5,000 for it.

7 and $217M is dumb for Price. This is a move that will hurt that organization more than it helps. I could not be more ecstatic that the Cubs avoided this. Price for 5 years and $27M a year? Cubs fans would have been on board.
This is just the natural reaction about hearing how the Cubs will have nearly limitless revenue, are "a year early" and setup to be dominant for years based on all the business changes they've made and all the free agents that will flock to the Cubs.

Then, the Cubs get outbid by the Red Sox and small market Cardinals for the guy that everyone was saying was bound for the Cubs. Do you think it will be ignored?

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The Cubs already have 2 top notch starters,what they need is depth after 1 & 2. I'd be happy with 3 "2nd tier " starters. Who knows if you sign a guy who turns in to something. Also,guys on their own staff might have bounce back years,too.


Hammel has given them two half seasons better than his career norm. The bounce back he would give you is a bounce back to the mean.

I think Hendricks is fine for the spot he is in. Last year is pretty much what he is and at least that isn't suck (most of the time).

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If Price gets $31 mil per, WTF is Groenke gonna get?


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I don't look at it like the Cubs got outbid, Just like Tanaka..The Cubs offered a fair contract.. Another team overpaid and will regret that signing..just like Tanaka.

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