Shut the fuck up! You're not a fan! You don't know!

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This is an entirely different point. The Cubs are spending, its just that they are spending on infrastructure.

We had Bruce Levine on the Score yesterday explaining this in the light most favorable to the Cubs. He was talking about the money they had because they bought the team at 900 million and now it was valued at 1.5 billion. This was yet another in the endless stream of Score expert reports issued from people with conflicts of interest. Sure they bought it at 900 million. Since then they have pledged 500 million into infrastructure improvements which is factored in to the valuation.

That does not even consider that the 900 million was heavily leveraged to the point that they had to sell off some of the team

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some other fan base is saying the same thing about Jon Lester

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Kenny Williams fell for the banana in the tailpipe

Derek Johnson leaving was the deal breaker.

The relative overpayment for Heyward will be greater than the overpayment for Price.

But that is supposing the Cubs will get him. I know you are not saying the Cubs will get him because that would be imaginary posting. You are only saying that the Cubs will get him if they want him. If he signs with someone else, they obviously didn't want him

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Heyward will be a White Sox, unless someone else pays more.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

And you don't think that isn't crazy money.

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2018
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The Cubs didnt need to sell off team ownership due to the leverage, they chose to sell off team ownership in order to fund the majority of the nearly $600 mill going into the facilities

Not sure Brick realizes the immensity of the developments they are building around Wrigley. This building becomes primary uses for income streams. Brew pub, gift shops, museums, etc.

Then the hotel on the McDonalds site and the offices to be relocated on Eddy with another new building.

Yes, the TV network is another story.

Does all that guarantee revenue streams NOPE.

Does it Guarantee winning NOPE

However, I am happy to take my chances with more money as oppossed to less money.

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

More uses of "fuck" wins that battle going away.

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#fasttracklanguage

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That sentiment is over stated for sure but there are guys who would love to play in Wrigley and have a chance to be part of a potential history making team

I blame Karros

Less overall but more per year is what I heard

Man I was really excited for next year but after reading this thread I guess Cubs are on the decline again. Sad.

This guy gets it.

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And had they signed Price, I'm sure all the Haters would be praising Theo and Ricketts and not talking about the big money and years for a veteran pitcher

These reactions are predictable.

We should work up both possible Heyward reactions now to save time

HA HA Theo overpaid for Heyward. Guess Will Babe Ruth even crack the lineup now?
HA HA , Theo was outbid again, enjoy Babe Ruths 43 errors this year.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Aren't you the guy who loves to point out when others are taking extreme positions? There is middle ground here. I think the signing is dumb for the Red Sox and would have been dumber for the Cubs. But before it happened and you guys were spending Ricketts' money in your heads, don't try to say you didn't want Price or that you cared what he cost. There are all kinds of posts suggesting that isn't true.

As far as Heyward is concerned, I think whoever gets him will pay way to much. I hope it's the Cubs.

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Except your entire analogy is wrong because the Cubs are spending that $31M this off-season. Elsewhere. And more intelligently.

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Are you sure about that?

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You try too hard at this - there is no way you should be this bad.

Heyward is younger. Quality hitting is harder to find than pitching these days. He can play CF, which is a position of need for the Cubs. Pitching ace is not a need. Heyward also will make less money overall, and the contract would be for his prime years. Price's contract might include one or two 'prime' years.

I predicted at the very beginning of the offseason the Cubs will end up with Heyward and Lackey as their two major FA acquisitions. I still think it to be the case. But wanting something and actually purchasing it are two different things. Every asset in the world has value. Houses, cars, TVs, investments, and baseball players. You assign a dollar value to it. You want it for less than that amount. You might consider paying a little more than that amount. You don't double your perceived value and still want it.

Yes.

The Cubs spent $127M on the 40-man last season. The Cubs said they could add up to $20M to that. $147M.

The Cubs are currently at $106M for the 40-man. Add $31M and you're still $10M short. So if the Cubs add half of what Ricketts and Theo are thinking, I'd be right.

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First of all, I'm not really including your reaction.

I don't know if you're using the royal you. My thoughts on Price have been consistently middling. I did want him but not at ANY price. Its not that I care about Ricketts money,I just figure there is probably a limit to what hell spend and too much in any player is not good.

There were a few Cub fans here who specifically said no Price because the playoff thing. Did you not see the 11 or 12 times that discussion broke out?

Yep.

He could offer to play for free and it'd be HAHA, you signed a financial moron!!!

Its all good fun

A lot of what you say there is correct. Heyward certainly fits into Theo's philosophy of paying for future performance rather than past performance. The things is, you sure aren't paying him the money he is going to get hoping he is going to give you the production he has already shown he can at the big league level. You need him to improve and quite a bit. Especially with his power. That might not be a big issue for the Cubs since they have plenty of power elsewhere, but you're still going to be on the hook for way too much money for a 15 homer/115 OPS+ type guy if he doesn't improve. And once he can no longer play center it gets worse. He should be sitting on his two best seasons coming up though.

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With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I really wanted Price. He was the guy I wanted more then them getting Grienke or Zimmerman or Heyward. I immediately felt better about this when I heard the cost the Red Sox were paying him on top of his opt out clause after 3 years.

Fuck that noise.

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Are you taking the current offensive climate into account there?

And when are you expecting him to not be able to play center? Age 30? 32?

I've grown fond of the Heyward signing....at least more than I was four months ago. He adds more than just 15 HR / 115 OPS+. He gives you 20 SB, Gold Glove defense, and a leadoff hitter. He might become a 20-25 HR guy, but that isn't needed.

I'd go 8 years and $176M. Definitely more than I was willing to pay him before but the more I thought about it...the more it seems like a good move. Beats out Ellsbury's by a year. When he is 33, you can shift him to RF. Soler would head out to Atlanta. Castro or Baez in a package elsewhere

Arrieta
Lester
Shelby Miller
Lackey
Hammel (Cashner? Ross? Carrasco? Salazar? Hendricks?)

Montero / Ross (Contreras after next season)
Rizzo
Baez
Russell
Bryant
Coghlan
Heyward
Schwarber

Some bullpen could be added instead of a SP.

Not signing Price gives the Cubs flexibility and probably results in a better overall team.

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He's a pretty big guy. I think he's probably best suited to right field with his arm. Guys that big can go downhill pretty quikcly with their mobility. Regardless of the offensive climate, I think he's going to get way more money that a guy who slugs the way he has should.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don