"a bit"

6 years and $162M would have been overspending "a bit"

Also, find a more recent post there, bruh. Like...the one where I actually said the Cubs would NOT sign Price.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

"make sure they come out with Price".

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Rick's got em on the run again.

Internet, baseball...is there anything you cannot do?

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I don't seem to be on the run. My post was clear. It did not say "do anything necessary." I was willing to overspend a bit. I wasn't willing to spend $60M more (a 37% increase) in guaranteed money.

How did Dombrowski overpaying talent in Detroit work out for him?

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seems like running to me

How is it an overpay when it matches the market established over a year ago?

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One contract does not establish a market. In four years, the Nationals and Red Sox will be regretting these contracts and baseball will shy away from $30M a year pitchers. These contracts will be similar to the Ellsbury / Crawford contracts.

What the Nationals and Red Sox have done is make it easier for 28 other teams to compete for World Series over the next 7 years.

Thank you, Nationals and Red Sox.

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During his tenure, the Tigers won two pennants and made the playoffs a total of five times. Theo would be hard pressed to match that performance.

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There now are two with one other potential one in the hopper for this year

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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His teams were competitive

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This would be a lot more believable if this board wasn't filled with posts talking about how much it will help when the Cubs have all this money to spend and how it gives them a big advantage over almost all the other teams.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

You've said anything besides a World Series is a failure. The the Cubs. For Theo. For any team. '2005' and all of that.

So the market wasn't established a year ago. Got it.

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YO Frankie ever hear of a team called the Red Sox.... how did Theo do there?

Just so you don't have to look it up from 2003-2010 ...8 years 2 World Series wins and 4 other playoff appearances.

So in a sense you are right he didn't match him... Theo exceeded him.

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Who cares what Theo did with the Red Sox. That isn't what Frank was referring to, but whether Theo's Cubs tenure would match it.

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I don't know how you would arrive at that opinion when last year's contracts pretty clearly established the base line for this year.

If a house sells for 500K, a comparable one sells for 500K and a third comparable one is listed at 500K the market is 500K even if you think they are worth 200K

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Again, not contracts. Contract.

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two contracts, one last year and yesterday

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Which is it?

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Those two statements say the same thing. The market was established last year as evidenced by the contracts following it this year. This isn't an exotic concept.

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7 year $210M+ contracts for pitchers over 30 will not be the norm. Two occurrences over two years does not establish a market.

Cueto won't be there. Zimmermann signed for less. Verlander's contract or Sabathia's contract established a market. Many contracts, like Jon Lester's, cemented it as 'the market.' $25M AAV is the market. The market wouldn't jump up $6M a year, with no increments, for 30 year old+ talent.

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The top free agent pitcher in baseball has received an nearly identical contract two years in a row. Define it however you like. I'd call it a market and I'd have support in my belief.

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Add in that at least in my lifetime as far as I recall the top pitcher in any given year has never taken less than the same the year before.

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Elections have consequences.

Jon Lester didn't sign for 7 years or $210M+ ????????

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Seriously? Every SP contract after CC Sabathia for the next several years.

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Agreed.

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