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 Post subject: Re: Trouble in Paradise?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:29 pm 
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so you guys don't care if you are treated like shit as long as you get paid. OK. but not everyone is like that.

Kinda but this makes it seems unique. .


It IS unique. he was the #1 prospect in baseball. perhaps the biggest prospect in several years. he is supposed to be the FACE of your franchise. He is supposed to be the BIG STAR on your team. don't treat him like shit.
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As the Nats did with Harper, The Angels with Trout and the Rays with Longoria


Not unique

The Brewers did the same thing with Braun, it happens.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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so you guys don't care if you are treated like shit as long as you get paid. OK. but not everyone is like that.

Kinda but this makes it seems unique. .


It IS unique. he was the #1 prospect in baseball. perhaps the biggest prospect in several years. he is supposed to be the FACE of your franchise. He is supposed to be the BIG STAR on your team. don't treat him like shit.
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As the Nats did with Harper, The Angels with Trout and the Rays with Longoria


Not unique



It's unique because he plays for the Cubs I guess. Other MLB teams can do it. :roll:

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There ya go

In fact I wonder when you'd have to go back to to find a #1 overall rated prospect who made the team out of spring

Id guess quite a few years


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There ya go

In fact I wonder when you'd have to go back to to find a #1 overall rated prospect who made the team out of spring

Id guess quite a few years
Looks like Jason Heyward is the answer.

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Trout and Harper were 19 when they were brought up to the majors!! :lol:

Bryant was 23!

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Trout and Harper were 19 when they were brought up to the majors!! :lol:

Bryant was 23!

Bryant also played 3 years of college ball, he chose not to go directly into the minors out of high school.

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The NHL has a provision like this called a slide risk, where young players on their entry-level contracts can have their contract terms extend a year if they haven't been on the roster long enough. Think of it as failing a grade and having to repeat it, except there's no failure involved, just being 19 years old. NHL players reach unrestricted free agency no later than age 27, though, so what it's designed to do is let teams go through the mutual growing pains involved with players right out of high school/junior without having them hit unrestricted free agency at 25 or 26 (unless they stick from the outset and earn it; Kane would have hit UFA status at 25). It's hard to circumvent because all it can do is what it's designed to do.

What the Cubs did with Bryant is circumvention in spirit but not by letter, which means we all have to praise Theo for being Really Smart, at least until it bites them in the ass later.

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 Post subject: Re: Trouble in Paradise?
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Trout and Harper were 19 when they were brought up to the majors!! :lol:

Bryant was 23!

Cmon man. Just admit you didnt think it through. It's not unique. It can still be an asshole move.

Age has nothing to do with it. All mentioned players were obviously major league ready and being held down for CBA purposes.


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There ya go

In fact I wonder when you'd have to go back to to find a #1 overall rated prospect who made the team out of spring

Id guess quite a few years
Looks like Jason Heyward is the answer.

And even in that season, Strasburg and Stanton were held back

And then after that you have to go to 07 with Daisuke (not same thing but ya know)


Its not unique. That is a fact. You can hate the cubs or Theo and think it's a dick move but to say or act like it's unique is just wrong.


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Bryant was an unusual case OK. not once in a lifetime unique, but unusual. If I'm a billionaire owner of a team I am magnanimous...not a fucking asshole.

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 Post subject: Re: Trouble in Paradise?
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Bryant was an unusual case OK. not once in a lifetime unique, but unusual. If I'm a billionaire owner of a team I am magnanimous...not a fucking asshole.

He was not unique at all, I just don't get why this is so hard to understand.

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sure. happens ALL THE TIME. that's why there's a greivance being filed.

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I and I think RPB can't explain it anymore, but yes it happens. It has happened, happened to him and will happen again in the very near future if the collective bargaining agreement is not changed.

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never was this egregious though. Theo couldn't even keep a straight face talking about it.

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never was this egregious though. Theo couldn't even keep a straight face talking about it.

Yes it has, I am fairly certain Braun was brought up in June on the very first day he could to save them a year for the clock to start ticking. If Bryant's was the same way, they would have done it the exact same way.

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Hatchet I have to go now and put a gun to my head, just know that you caused it. :lol:

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i've got a little BRick in me today.

Braun was #26 prospect in baseball. you could get away with it under that scenario.

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i've got a little BRick in me today.

Yeah well so do a lot of boys.

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Kris Bryant On Cubs’ Splashy Offseason Additions: ‘It Says A Lot About The Organization’
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(CBS) Cubs third baseman Kris Bryant expected the organization to make some notable offseason additions at positions of need. He just didn’t quite expect the haul the Cubs have made in the last two weeks.

With the recent additions of outfielder Jason Heyward, second baseman/utilityman Ben Zobrist and right-hander John Lackey, the Cubs have committed a possible $272 million to their future payroll. Speaking at Soldier Field on Sunday, Bryant was enthused by the additions and admitted surprised as well.

“Just following along this whole winter, it’s been a lot of fun with the trades and then the signings, players taking less money to come to us,” Bryant said. “I mean, it says a lot about the organization and Joe (Maddon) and the team in general. It’s all very exciting. I can’t wait for spring training.

“(Heyward) and Ben Zobrist are great because we were a team that struck out a lot and us younger guys are probably going to take some time to adjust to that. But those two guys are contact hitters. They get on base. I can’t believe we got both of them. It surprised me, and I think it said a lot about them and what they want to do and the team they want to be a part of. And that’s exciting for us.”

With the big moves, Bryant knows the Cubs will be held to a championship standard following a 97-win campaign in 2015 in which they advanced to the National League Championship Series.

“Everybody’s really excited,” Bryant said. “I think a lot of the Cubs fans can tell that the atmosphere’s going to be a lot different. It’s going to be a lot of fun, and we’re going to expect a lot out of ourselves. So like I said, I can’t wait for next year.”

Bryant admitted he was sad to see the Cubs part ways with infielder Starlin Castro in a trade with the Yankees, a deal made to open up an anchor position for Zobrist and to shed a bit of money.

“I was sad to see him go,” Bryant said. “He was a great teammate, one of my favorites. He taught me a lot. He was always happy to be there, smiling on the field.


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"It says a lot about the organization"...that they have a lot of money with which to pay me in the near future or else

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199 strikeouts can be argued they called him up too early.


Hey dumbass, Kris Bryant finished with a top 10 WAR in the majors. He had a .370 OBP for Christ's sake. Who gives a shit about strikeouts?

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199 strikeouts can be argued they called him up too early.


Hey dumbass, Kris Bryant finished with a top 10 WAR in the majors. He had a .370 OBP for Christ's sake. Who gives a shit about strikeouts?


The Mets?

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199 strikeouts can be argued they called him up too early.


Hey dumbass, Kris Bryant finished with a top 10 WAR in the majors. He had a .370 OBP for Christ's sake. Who gives a shit about strikeouts?


The Mets?


Well yeah, they fucked him up good. Real good. But his numbers over the course of the season were still the tits.

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Theo is now trying to piss off Arrieta.


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Theo is now trying to piss off Arrieta.


Bullshit. He is basing his arbitration number on salaries of comparable pitchers.... specifically Max Scherzer. The salary he made the year after he won his Cy Young award with the Tigers was what the Cubs used as a guide. The Cubs will do nothing to insult or belittle Arrieta. Both sides know that an extension at the end of the 2016 season will be discussed. Boras likes to take his clients to free agency to try to get every last dollar for them, so I doubt a long term deal will be struck. More likely the Cubs have him for 2 more seasons and then will have to outbid others to keep Jake. In the meantime, they try to win a World Series (or two).

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