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I always over think signings my team makes when they are a big market team in a sport without a salary cap.
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I always over think signings my team makes when they are a big market team in a sport without a salary cap.


No salary cap doesn’t mean unlimited money.

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I always over think signings my team makes when they are a big market team in a sport without a salary cap.


No salary cap doesn’t mean unlimited money.

It's the Cubs. So it kind of does.
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Hockey Gay wrote:
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I always over think signings my team makes when they are a big market team in a sport without a salary cap.


No salary cap doesn’t mean unlimited money.

It's the Cubs. So it kind of does.


If true, then price would be in cubbie pinstripes

Also, they didn't have the highest total dollar amount offers to either Zobrist or Heyward

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good dolphin wrote:
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I always over think signings my team makes when they are a big market team in a sport without a salary cap.


No salary cap doesn’t mean unlimited money.

It's the Cubs. So it kind of does.


If true, then price would be in cubbie pinstripes

Also, they didn't have the highest total dollar amount offers to either Zobrist or Heyward

Why is it so important to point that out?
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Also, they didn't have the highest total dollar amount offers to either Zobrist or Heyward

:lol:

So NOW the Cubs didn't offer the most. Which is it?

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What are the chances one of Almora/McKinney/Happ/Other comes in and takes the CF job in Spring Training? These guys are all 21+...except for "Other" of course.

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What are the chances one of Almora/McKinney/Happ/Other comes in and takes the CF job in Spring Training? These guys are all 21+...except for "Other" of course.

No chance.

First of all, only Almora is a true centerfielder. Secondly, Theo and Jed stress the importance of AAA at-bats, and none of them have been to AAA at all. Happ hasn't even been to high-A yet. Furthermore, the Cubs aren't going to throw an untested rookie into a starting role on opening day.

Baez has a 100x better chance of being the Cubs starting CF on Opening Day than any of those 3.

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IMU wrote:
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Also, they didn't have the highest total dollar amount offers to either Zobrist or Heyward

:lol:

So NOW the Cubs didn't offer the most. Which is it?


I worded that carefully. The language is precise

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Also, they didn't have the highest total dollar amount offers to either Zobrist or Heyward

:lol:

So NOW the Cubs didn't offer the most. Which is it?


I worded that carefully. The language is precise

Which contract offered to Jason Heyward was the most expensive to a team? An answer with solely the team name would suffice.

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What are the chances one of Almora/McKinney/Happ/Other comes in and takes the CF job in Spring Training? These guys are all 21+...except for "Other" of course.


They'd bring Almora up after two weeks to have an extra year of indentured servitude to the Cub.

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IMU wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
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Also, they didn't have the highest total dollar amount offers to either Zobrist or Heyward

:lol:

So NOW the Cubs didn't offer the most. Which is it?


I worded that carefully. The language is precise

Which contract offered to Jason Heyward was the most expensive to a team? An answer with solely the team name would suffice.


I don't know whether the other two teams offered him opt outs and front loading so I cannot accurately answer the question.

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Well, you seem to think that an opt-out has a monetary value. So go ahead and tell me what an opt-out costs the Cubs?

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Well, you seem to think that an opt-out has a monetary value. So go ahead and tell me what an opt-out costs the Cubs?


a player?

That will be determined in 3 years, at which time it will be a fairly simple calculation.

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I don't care if its a two year deal, they are paying $30 million to a pitcher who is almost 40.

He was a #2 last year because (arguably) the Cardinals best pitcher went down with an injury.



Cheaper than Samardiza and better, 60 million less guaranteed. I don't understand how anyone could have a beef with this signing.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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I don't care if its a two year deal, they are paying $30 million to a pitcher who is almost 40.

He was a #2 last year because (arguably) the Cardinals best pitcher went down with an injury.

They're not paying for the past. Any projection of the next two years would have Lackey as a 3ish pitcher and that's about how much they cost in free agency.


If by 3ish, you mean a 3-4, you are correct. He isn't in the group of rag tags that make up the fifth spot for the overwhelming majority of the league





I think he outperforms Lester this year.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
I don't care if its a two year deal, they are paying $30 million to a pitcher who is almost 40.

He was a #2 last year because (arguably) the Cardinals best pitcher went down with an injury.



Cheaper than Samardiza and better, 60 million less guaranteed. I don't understand how anyone could have a beef with this signing.


Lackey had a Samardzija season at about the same age.

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Dude pitched in the A.L. for a decade in the steroid era, the Guppy lasted one season with the worst era in mlb. I'd set the over-under for Lackey this season @ 205 innings pitched
3.12 ERA .

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You're a little optimistic, I think.

180-190 IP, 3.40 ERA.

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So, they will have a DH in LF, a RF in CF, a RF at 3B and a utility player at 2B


Still curious if there was ever a point to this post.

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Cubs lost a draft pick that the Cardinals will turn into a HoF player.

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Cubs lost a draft pick that the Cardinals will turn into a HoF player.


two

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Gloopan Kuratz wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
What are the chances one of Almora/McKinney/Happ/Other comes in and takes the CF job in Spring Training? These guys are all 21+...except for "Other" of course.


They'd bring Almora up after two weeks to have an extra year of indentured servitude to the Cub.


It's not personal, it's just business....

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Gloopan Kuratz wrote:
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What are the chances one of Almora/McKinney/Happ/Other comes in and takes the CF job in Spring Training? These guys are all 21+...except for "Other" of course.


They'd bring Almora up after two weeks to have an extra year of indentured servitude to the Cub.


It's not personal, it's just business....

How very 1850 Georgia of you.

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Presser now, he looks sharp up there.. No madden.

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good dolphin wrote:
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Cubs lost a draft pick that the Cardinals will turn into a HoF player.


two

And they get one back from Fowler, I think
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Quite well spoken.

Let's hope he earns his cash!
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They have projected lineup

Zobrist
Heyward
Bryant
Rizzo
Schwarber
Soler
Montero
Arrieta
Russell

I got

Heyward
Schwarber
Rizzo
Bryant
Zobrist
Soler
Montero
Russell
Arrieta

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Heyward
Zobrist
Rizzo
Bryant
Schwarber
Soler
Montero
Arrieta
Russell

You're welcome, Maddon.

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I wonder what they will do with catcher going forward
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