It is currently Sat Nov 16, 2024 9:53 am

View unanswered posts | View active topics


Board index » CHICAGO AND NATIONAL TEAMS » CHICAGO CUBS

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]



Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 14 of 17
  [ 490 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17  Next
  Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
Hockey Gay
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:12 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:55 am
Posts: 9340
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
I always over think signings my team makes when they are a big market team in a sport without a salary cap.
Top
 Profile  
 
Nas
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:13 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
Hockey Gay wrote:
I always over think signings my team makes when they are a big market team in a sport without a salary cap.


No salary cap doesn’t mean unlimited money.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!
Top
 Profile  
 
Hockey Gay
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:14 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:55 am
Posts: 9340
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
Nas wrote:
Hockey Gay wrote:
I always over think signings my team makes when they are a big market team in a sport without a salary cap.


No salary cap doesn’t mean unlimited money.

It's the Cubs. So it kind of does.
Top
 Profile  
 
good dolphin
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:55 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82152
Hockey Gay wrote:
Nas wrote:
Hockey Gay wrote:
I always over think signings my team makes when they are a big market team in a sport without a salary cap.


No salary cap doesn’t mean unlimited money.

It's the Cubs. So it kind of does.


If true, then price would be in cubbie pinstripes

Also, they didn't have the highest total dollar amount offers to either Zobrist or Heyward

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.
Top
 Profile  
 
rogers park bryan
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
good dolphin wrote:
Hockey Gay wrote:
Nas wrote:
Hockey Gay wrote:
I always over think signings my team makes when they are a big market team in a sport without a salary cap.


No salary cap doesn’t mean unlimited money.

It's the Cubs. So it kind of does.


If true, then price would be in cubbie pinstripes

Also, they didn't have the highest total dollar amount offers to either Zobrist or Heyward

Why is it so important to point that out?
Top
 Profile  
 
IMU
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:09 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
good dolphin wrote:
Also, they didn't have the highest total dollar amount offers to either Zobrist or Heyward

:lol:

So NOW the Cubs didn't offer the most. Which is it?

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.
Top
 Profile  
 
GoldenJet
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:13 am
Posts: 17583
Location: BLM Lake Forest Chapter
pizza_Place: Quonset
What are the chances one of Almora/McKinney/Happ/Other comes in and takes the CF job in Spring Training? These guys are all 21+...except for "Other" of course.

_________________
Don Tiny wrote:
Don't be such a fucking chump.
Top
 Profile  
 
IMU
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
GoldenJet wrote:
What are the chances one of Almora/McKinney/Happ/Other comes in and takes the CF job in Spring Training? These guys are all 21+...except for "Other" of course.

No chance.

First of all, only Almora is a true centerfielder. Secondly, Theo and Jed stress the importance of AAA at-bats, and none of them have been to AAA at all. Happ hasn't even been to high-A yet. Furthermore, the Cubs aren't going to throw an untested rookie into a starting role on opening day.

Baez has a 100x better chance of being the Cubs starting CF on Opening Day than any of those 3.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.
Top
 Profile  
 
good dolphin
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82152
IMU wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Also, they didn't have the highest total dollar amount offers to either Zobrist or Heyward

:lol:

So NOW the Cubs didn't offer the most. Which is it?


I worded that carefully. The language is precise

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.
Top
 Profile  
 
IMU
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:09 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
good dolphin wrote:
IMU wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Also, they didn't have the highest total dollar amount offers to either Zobrist or Heyward

:lol:

So NOW the Cubs didn't offer the most. Which is it?


I worded that carefully. The language is precise

Which contract offered to Jason Heyward was the most expensive to a team? An answer with solely the team name would suffice.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.
Top
 Profile  
 
Gloopan Kuratz
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:14 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:51 pm
Posts: 6302
Location: Calumet City
pizza_Place: Johns in Cal City
GoldenJet wrote:
What are the chances one of Almora/McKinney/Happ/Other comes in and takes the CF job in Spring Training? These guys are all 21+...except for "Other" of course.


They'd bring Almora up after two weeks to have an extra year of indentured servitude to the Cub.

_________________
STU-GOTZ wrote:
Well Mac told me to to tell you to go FUCK YOURSELF!!! ..So now it's been said .. .
Top
 Profile  
 
good dolphin
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82152
IMU wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
IMU wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Also, they didn't have the highest total dollar amount offers to either Zobrist or Heyward

:lol:

So NOW the Cubs didn't offer the most. Which is it?


I worded that carefully. The language is precise

Which contract offered to Jason Heyward was the most expensive to a team? An answer with solely the team name would suffice.


I don't know whether the other two teams offered him opt outs and front loading so I cannot accurately answer the question.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.
Top
 Profile  
 
IMU
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
Well, you seem to think that an opt-out has a monetary value. So go ahead and tell me what an opt-out costs the Cubs?

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.
Top
 Profile  
 
good dolphin
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82152
IMU wrote:
Well, you seem to think that an opt-out has a monetary value. So go ahead and tell me what an opt-out costs the Cubs?


a player?

That will be determined in 3 years, at which time it will be a fairly simple calculation.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.
Top
 Profile  
 
312player
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I don't care if its a two year deal, they are paying $30 million to a pitcher who is almost 40.

He was a #2 last year because (arguably) the Cardinals best pitcher went down with an injury.



Cheaper than Samardiza and better, 60 million less guaranteed. I don't understand how anyone could have a beef with this signing.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.
Top
 Profile  
 
312player
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
good dolphin wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I don't care if its a two year deal, they are paying $30 million to a pitcher who is almost 40.

He was a #2 last year because (arguably) the Cardinals best pitcher went down with an injury.

They're not paying for the past. Any projection of the next two years would have Lackey as a 3ish pitcher and that's about how much they cost in free agency.


If by 3ish, you mean a 3-4, you are correct. He isn't in the group of rag tags that make up the fifth spot for the overwhelming majority of the league





I think he outperforms Lester this year.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.
Top
 Profile  
 
good dolphin
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:08 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82152
312player wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I don't care if its a two year deal, they are paying $30 million to a pitcher who is almost 40.

He was a #2 last year because (arguably) the Cardinals best pitcher went down with an injury.



Cheaper than Samardiza and better, 60 million less guaranteed. I don't understand how anyone could have a beef with this signing.


Lackey had a Samardzija season at about the same age.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.
Top
 Profile  
 
312player
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:15 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
Dude pitched in the A.L. for a decade in the steroid era, the Guppy lasted one season with the worst era in mlb. I'd set the over-under for Lackey this season @ 205 innings pitched
3.12 ERA .

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.
Top
 Profile  
 
IMU
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
You're a little optimistic, I think.

180-190 IP, 3.40 ERA.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.
Top
 Profile  
 
Don Tiny
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:37 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 28, 2009 11:10 am
Posts: 42094
Location: Rock Ridge (splendid!)
pizza_Place: Charlie Fox's / Paisano's
good dolphin wrote:
So, they will have a DH in LF, a RF in CF, a RF at 3B and a utility player at 2B


Still curious if there was ever a point to this post.

_________________
Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George
Top
 Profile  
 
Nas
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:07 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 81466
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
Cubs lost a draft pick that the Cardinals will turn into a HoF player.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!
Top
 Profile  
 
good dolphin
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82152
Nas wrote:
Cubs lost a draft pick that the Cardinals will turn into a HoF player.


two

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.
Top
 Profile  
 
Elmhurst Steve
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:31 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:28 am
Posts: 11792
Location: Winnetka, Illinois
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
Gloopan Kuratz wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
What are the chances one of Almora/McKinney/Happ/Other comes in and takes the CF job in Spring Training? These guys are all 21+...except for "Other" of course.


They'd bring Almora up after two weeks to have an extra year of indentured servitude to the Cub.


It's not personal, it's just business....

_________________
Go Cubs!!!!
Top
 Profile  
 
Darkside
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:29 am
Posts: 65734
Location: Darkside Estates
pizza_Place: A cat got an online degree.
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Gloopan Kuratz wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
What are the chances one of Almora/McKinney/Happ/Other comes in and takes the CF job in Spring Training? These guys are all 21+...except for "Other" of course.


They'd bring Almora up after two weeks to have an extra year of indentured servitude to the Cub.


It's not personal, it's just business....

How very 1850 Georgia of you.

_________________
"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014
bigfan wrote:
Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.
Top
 Profile  
 
312player
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:54 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
Presser now, he looks sharp up there.. No madden.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.
Top
 Profile  
 
rogers park bryan
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
good dolphin wrote:
Nas wrote:
Cubs lost a draft pick that the Cardinals will turn into a HoF player.


two

And they get one back from Fowler, I think
Top
 Profile  
 
cpguy
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:08 pm
Posts: 5753
Location: Crown Point, IN
pizza_Place: Beggars
Quite well spoken.

Let's hope he earns his cash!
Top
 Profile  
 
312player
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:00 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
They have projected lineup

Zobrist
Heyward
Bryant
Rizzo
Schwarber
Soler
Montero
Arrieta
Russell

I got

Heyward
Schwarber
Rizzo
Bryant
Zobrist
Soler
Montero
Russell
Arrieta

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.
Top
 Profile  
 
IMU
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:07 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
Heyward
Zobrist
Rizzo
Bryant
Schwarber
Soler
Montero
Arrieta
Russell

You're welcome, Maddon.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.
Top
 Profile  
 
rogers park bryan
 Post subject: Re: Jason Heyward
PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
I wonder what they will do with catcher going forward
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 14 of 17
  [ 490 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17  Next

Board index » CHICAGO AND NATIONAL TEAMS » CHICAGO CUBS

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 12 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group