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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:25 am 
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Can two .270 hitters help improve the next to worst team BA in the majors?

Oh come on. Now you are gonna join the fight against OBP?


Obviously, OBP is "good" in a vacuum, but how you arrive at it is a different discussion. The Royals are making a case against the fetishization of the walk and taking pitches for the sake thereof.

Strikeouts are "bad" in a vacuum.


For a hitter, theyre bad period.

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Only in a vacuum, sir.

You wouldn't want to hit into a double play, so you strikeout to allow the next person to hit the purest best outcome, a home run.

In fact... putting the ball in play at all if runners are on lessens the chance of follow up hitters reaching the plate in order to have a chance at the purest best outcome, a home run.

Runs scored via base hit are just dumb luck.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Can two .270 hitters help improve the next to worst team BA in the majors?

Oh come on. Now you are gonna join the fight against OBP?


Obviously, OBP is "good" in a vacuum, but how you arrive at it is a different discussion. The Royals are making a case against the fetishization of the walk and taking pitches for the sake thereof.

Its not just good. It correlates with winning more than any other stat. Maybe it wont be as overwhelmingly important in this era, but the way people keep quoting Heyward's average and leaving out the obp is ignorance.
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Can two .270 hitters help improve the next to worst team BA in the majors?

Oh come on. Now you are gonna join the fight against OBP?


Obviously, OBP is "good" in a vacuum, but how you arrive at it is a different discussion. The Royals are making a case against the fetishization of the walk and taking pitches for the sake thereof.

Its not just good. It correlates with winning more than any other stat. Maybe it wont be as overwhelmingly important in this era, but the way people keep quoting Heyward's average and leaving out the obp is ignorance.


only a couple of people were using it, most notably a Cub fan from Elmhurst

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we're still the team of the decade. Things will be grand.
The 2016-17-18 playoffs are promised to nobody. On paper, the Nationals were the best team in MLB going into 2015. How did that work out for them?

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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we're still the team of the decade. Things will be grand.
The 2016-17-18 playoffs are promised to nobody. On paper, the Nationals were the best team in MLB going into 2015. How did that work out for them?


THEY. DIDN'T. HAVE. JOE. MADDON. Hang up on yourself.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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we're still the team of the decade. Things will be grand.
The 2016-17-18 playoffs are promised to nobody. On paper, the Nationals were the best team in MLB going into 2015. How did that work out for them?


THEY. DIDN'T. HAVE. JOE. MADDON. Hang up on yourself.

Look, a young Cub team surpisingly went to the NLCS and now they're filling holes in free agency. I dont see how it goes wrong
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You were a year early anyway.

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You were a year early anyway.

2005. A year that will be glorified forever in the 27 fans the White Sox have left.
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2005.
Agreed.

This is the smartest thing you have ever said, or ever will say.

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Scooter wrote:
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You were a year early anyway.

2005. A year that will be glorified forever in the 27 fans the White Sox have left.


Season ticket sales hanging on for dear life to stay abover 5,000 fans.

Buy 5, get 1 free UNOFFICIALLY OFFERED

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2005.
Agreed.

This is the smartest thing you have ever said, or ever will say.

Other than you are an idiotic asswipe
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Scooter wrote:
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You were a year early anyway.

2005. A year that will be glorified forever in the 27 fans the White Sox have left.


and dreaded by cubbie fans

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Scooter wrote:
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You were a year early anyway.

2005. A year that will be glorified forever in the 27 fans the White Sox have left.
Well, there was no playoff run in baseball history that was more dominating.

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