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I have a few times, and while it is very entertaining, Richard Cole greatly stretched the truth as far as the partying and whatnot. The happenings onstage and in the studio are more accurate.


i'm not sure why, but I never really got into these guys that much. since i've finished the book (about three weeks ago) i'm revisiting the discs that I did purchase. I, IV, and houses.


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The best way to listen to LZ is whole album at a time. Forget the other box sets.
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The best way to listen to LZ is whole album at a time.


.....Right after you've pressed the mute button.

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With you completely wdelaney and I'd like to add The Doors to that as well. Apart from "the soft parade", I have no use for the doors anymore.


I agree with the mainstream stuff. But, I still appreciate the deeper cuts now and again. I prefer "Waiting for the Sun" but there's good stuff on all those albums apart from the popular stuff.

My choice was always whiskey but I often wondered how some of those albums would be appreciated under different types of mind-altering substances.

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Mustang Rob wrote:
The best way to listen to LZ is whole album at a time.


.....Right after you've pressed the mute button.


This reminds me of this Klosterman Tweedy exchange:
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we were standing in the pantry of his home in northwest Chicago (he was looking for his stocking cap), and he started talking about how his eight-year-old son was the drummer in a grade school rock band called the Blisters. The Blisters mostly cover Jet songs. Now, just about everybody I know thinks Jet is ridiculous; they've become the band hipsters are legally required to hate. So I made some joke (and I have no idea why) about how Jet was totally fucking terrible, and that it's somehow predictable that the only people who would want to cover Jet songs would be second-graders. Tweedy didn't understand why I would say something like this. He looked at me like I had just made fun of a quadriplegic, and he asked, "Well, don't you like rock music?" And then I felt stupid, because I realized that a) Jet plays rock music, and that b) I like rock music, and that c) I actually like Jet, both tangibly and intangibly. So that was the first thing I realized about Jeff Tweedy: Musically, he remembers what is obvious.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I agree with the mainstream stuff. But, I still appreciate the deeper cuts now and again. I prefer "Waiting for the Sun" but there's good stuff on all those albums apart from the popular stuff.

My choice was always whiskey but I often wondered how some of those albums would be appreciated under different types of mind-altering substances.


Yeah there is some great stuff on "Waiting for the Sun", that's true--I just meant as an album completely--because it has the least amount of the overplayed hits.

Maybe they should release a compilation of "The Best of the Doors That You Are Not Sick of"...there are some great songs from them that probably even people who like the Doors don't know about.


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Maybe they should release a compilation of "The Best of the Doors That You Are Not Sick of"...


:lol:

Most of the stuff is too weird for mainstream based on playing it for friends at various times and them saying "WTF was that?"

However, listening to "My Wild Love" while drunk was a favorite pastime of mine in college.

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Mustang Rob wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Mustang Rob wrote:
The best way to listen to LZ is whole album at a time.


.....Right after you've pressed the mute button.


This reminds me of this Klosterman Tweedy exchange:
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we were standing in the pantry of his home in northwest Chicago (he was looking for his stocking cap), and he started talking about how his eight-year-old son was the drummer in a grade school rock band called the Blisters. The Blisters mostly cover Jet songs. Now, just about everybody I know thinks Jet is ridiculous; they've become the band hipsters are legally required to hate. So I made some joke (and I have no idea why) about how Jet was totally fucking terrible, and that it's somehow predictable that the only people who would want to cover Jet songs would be second-graders. Tweedy didn't understand why I would say something like this. He looked at me like I had just made fun of a quadriplegic, and he asked, "Well, don't you like rock music?" And then I felt stupid, because I realized that a) Jet plays rock music, and that b) I like rock music, and that c) I actually like Jet, both tangibly and intangibly. So that was the first thing I realized about Jeff Tweedy: Musically, he remembers what is obvious.


So disliking Led Zeppelin precludes liking anyone that plays rock? Disliking one band is equivalent to dismissing an entire genre? What if I like Led Zeppelin but dislike Quiet Riot? Doesn't that also mean I categorically dislike rock? Tweedy's point above is dumb, as is the response to it quoted above.

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I agree Tweedy's point is dumb. I think the point that is trying to be made is that Led Zeppelin influenced thousands of artists where Quiet Riot didn't influence as many. Maybe he believes you can't like any band influenced by Led Zeppelin. I don't agree with that assessment at all, but that's what I'm taking out of it.


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Tall Midget wrote:
Mustang Rob wrote:
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Mustang Rob wrote:
The best way to listen to LZ is whole album at a time.


.....Right after you've pressed the mute button.


This reminds me of this Klosterman Tweedy exchange:
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we were standing in the pantry of his home in northwest Chicago (he was looking for his stocking cap), and he started talking about how his eight-year-old son was the drummer in a grade school rock band called the Blisters. The Blisters mostly cover Jet songs. Now, just about everybody I know thinks Jet is ridiculous; they've become the band hipsters are legally required to hate. So I made some joke (and I have no idea why) about how Jet was totally fucking terrible, and that it's somehow predictable that the only people who would want to cover Jet songs would be second-graders. Tweedy didn't understand why I would say something like this. He looked at me like I had just made fun of a quadriplegic, and he asked, "Well, don't you like rock music?" And then I felt stupid, because I realized that a) Jet plays rock music, and that b) I like rock music, and that c) I actually like Jet, both tangibly and intangibly. So that was the first thing I realized about Jeff Tweedy: Musically, he remembers what is obvious.


So disliking Led Zeppelin precludes liking anyone that plays rock? Disliking one band is equivalent to dismissing an entire genre? What if I like Led Zeppelin but dislike Quiet Riot? Doesn't that also mean I categorically dislike rock? Tweedy's point above is dumb, as is the response to it quoted above.


The answer is, not at all, Midge.
But making statments indicating that the best way to listen to LZ is with a mute button on, seriously erodes your credibility as a rock fan (assuming that rock fandom requires credibility to begin with).
I've heard many people suggest that LZ is overrated and their musical influence overstated, but you are the first person I've "met" to suggest that they should be ignored.

As for the quoted exchange above, I took the point to be that Klosterman could not credibly defend his position on Jet and Tweedy's simple question made him realize that.

BTW,
What's your beef with Quiet Riot.

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How can you like Led Zeppelin and not Quiet Riot?

Easy, Zep has stood the test of time, so it's still 'cool' to like 'em. Quiet Riot is a two hit wonder that borders on 'cheese metal' in hindsight.

I'd venture to say most people that like Zep and never cared for Quiet Riot are on the back nine of life - aka older than 45.


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How can you like Led Zeppelin and not Quiet Riot?


Because quiet riot sucks, and Led-Zeppelin does not. "C'MON FEEL THE NOISE"? Keep it.

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Agreed that the Doors fall in the same vote, but I can still enjoy "Morissson Hotel".


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