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Hearing the R&R HOF inductees for 2016 are Chicago, @cheaptrick , Deep Purple, NWA, Steve Miller. Officially announced tonight/tomorrow


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Hearing the R&R HOF inductees for 2016 are Chicago, @cheaptrick , Deep Purple, NWA, Steve Miller. Officially announced tonight/tomorrow


3 of them deserve to be in.

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Hearing the R&R HOF inductees for 2016 are Chicago, @cheaptrick , Deep Purple, NWA, Steve Miller. Officially announced tonight/tomorrow


3 of them deserve to be in.


obviously you're a NWA guy so what's your favorite by them? i think you gotta go with bernstein and me on express yourself, right?

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The mere idea of a hall of fame for rock and roll is absurd.

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cpguy wrote:
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Hearing the R&R HOF inductees for 2016 are Chicago, @cheaptrick , Deep Purple, NWA, Steve Miller. Officially announced tonight/tomorrow


3 of them deserve to be in.

Chicago can obviously fuck off, who else?

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So The Smiths do not get in, but a rap group does? Splendid.

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Wonder if they will let Bun E. play live?

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Cheap Trick put on a good show, back in the day. But HOF?

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cpguy wrote:
Chris Starr Retweeted
Eddie Trunk ‏@EddieTrunk 54m54 minutes ago

Hearing the R&R HOF inductees for 2016 are Chicago, @cheaptrick , Deep Purple, NWA, Steve Miller. Officially announced tonight/tomorrow


3 of them deserve to be in.

Chicago can obviously fuck off, who else?


You know nothing of Chicago's work, at least the early stuff. Perfectly acceptable. Mostly good stuff up through Chicago IX (greatest hits album) although by VI you could tell where it was going. Terry Kath dying and not Cetera was a bad piece of luck.

Cheap Trick sucks out loud. There is no other side to that coin.

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Cheap Trick sucks out loud. There is no other side to that coin.

:evil:

You sir, are incorrect in this assessment.

Also, I fucking hate Steve Miller.

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Don Tiny wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Scorehead wrote:
cpguy wrote:
Chris Starr Retweeted
Eddie Trunk ‏@EddieTrunk 54m54 minutes ago

Hearing the R&R HOF inductees for 2016 are Chicago, @cheaptrick , Deep Purple, NWA, Steve Miller. Officially announced tonight/tomorrow


3 of them deserve to be in.

Chicago can obviously fuck off, who else?


You know nothing of Chicago's work, at least the early stuff. Perfectly acceptable. Mostly good stuff up through Chicago IX (greatest hits album) although by VI you could tell where it was going. Terry Kath dying and not Cetera was a bad piece of luck.

Cheap Trick sucks out loud. There is no other side to that coin.


Live from Budokan. Come on man.

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Gloopan Kuratz wrote:
Cheap Trick put on a good show, back in the day. But HOF?


Saw them just a couple of years ago...still a great live act.

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Cheap Trick sucks out loud. There is no other side to that coin.

:evil:

You sir, are incorrect in this assessment.

Yeah that's crazy talk, DT. Ultimate pop-rock type of band.
I think they're pretty influential to a lot of other bands. I know I know, all of the other bands are better because they are newer, but influential none the less.

I don't think Bun E Carlos was kicked out of the band by any means. He 'retired' due to medical reasons, couldn't handle the touring. Just so happens that Nielsen's youngest can also play drums. I wouldn't be surprised if Carlos plays with them for at least a song.

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Gloopan Kuratz wrote:
Cheap Trick put on a good show, back in the day. But HOF?


Saw them just a couple of years ago...still a great live act.

They really are. Zander's voice is still in fine form.

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they rocked it out at the foo fighters show in august. even "gonna raise hell".


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they rocked it out at the foo fighters show in august. even "gonna raise hell".

Nielsen and Grohl are tight buds.

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Furious Styles wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Gloopan Kuratz wrote:
Cheap Trick put on a good show, back in the day. But HOF?


Saw them just a couple of years ago...still a great live act.

They really are. Zander's voice is still in fine form.


I've seen them at least 15 times. They're fucking awesome. Who is the American rock singer better than Zander? Elvis? Springsteen?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Furious Styles wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Gloopan Kuratz wrote:
Cheap Trick put on a good show, back in the day. But HOF?


Saw them just a couple of years ago...still a great live act.

They really are. Zander's voice is still in fine form.


I've seen them at least 15 times. They're fucking awesome. Who is the American rock singer better than Zander? Elvis? Springsteen?


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Who is the American rock singer better than Zander? Elvis? Springsteen?


What about Axl, DLR, & Steven Tyler? Is Trent Reznor outside of the discussion? I mean, if we're including longevity, then really only Tyler remains from those four.

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Don Tiny wrote:
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Who is the American rock singer better than Zander? Elvis? Springsteen?


What about Axl, DLR, & Steven Tyler? Is Trent Reznor outside of the discussion? I mean, if we're including longevity, then really only Tyler remains from those four.


I don't know. You and I have much different sensibilities. Generally, I listen to rock music with my guts. It's about how the song makes me feel in the moment. I'm not judging it on competence or technical ability. But if we're talking about singers, I guess by "best" I meant the ability to sing pretty much anything and put the song over. Axl and Tyler and Roth have plenty of great moments but they all have sung stuff where they just sounded ridiculous. For example, G'n'R's version of "Live and Let Die" is a fucking horse abortion.

You know, I was just watching the Sinatra special and he did a version of "Old Man River" that I thought was really great. It certainly wasn't anything like the famous Robeson version, but Sinatra really sold the song. And I realized that I never actually paid attention to the lyric when Robeson sings it because I was just listening to the voice. Anyway, it's worth noting that Sinatra said he would never sing a song that he didn't really feel, he just couldn't. Well, as far as the rock and roll idiom is concerned, I'm pretty sure Elvis, Springsteen, and Zander are the only three Americans who I believe could sing just about anything.

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All those bands are undeserving, but the RnR hof is discerning as the basketball hall of fame..all kinds of scrubs are inducted. Nwa had one great album, which is one more than the rest of those bands combined.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Who is the American rock singer better than Zander? Elvis? Springsteen?


What about Axl, DLR, & Steven Tyler? Is Trent Reznor outside of the discussion? I mean, if we're including longevity, then really only Tyler remains from those four.


I don't know. You and I have much different sensibilities. Generally, I listen to rock music with my guts. It's about how the song makes me feel in the moment. I'm not judging it on competence or technical ability. But if we're talking about singers, I guess by "best" I meant the ability to sing pretty much anything and put the song over. Axl and Tyler and Roth have plenty of great moments but they all have sung stuff where they just sounded ridiculous. For example, G'n'R's version of "Live and Let Die" is a fucking horse abortion.

You know, I was just watching the Sinatra special and he did a version of "Old Man River" that I thought was really great. It certainly wasn't anything like the famous Robeson version, but Sinatra really sold the song. And I realized that I never actually paid attention to the lyric when Robeson sings it because I was just listening to the voice. Anyway, it's worth noting that Sinatra said he would never sing a song that he didn't really feel, he just couldn't. Well, as far as the rock and roll idiom is concerned, I'm pretty sure Elvis, Springsteen, and Zander are the only three Americans who I believe could sing just about anything.


I agree unreservedly, and I presume we would also agree that's not considered a knock against the other guy.

I don't have much in the way of opinions as to the musicality of most rock singers; I'm looking for someone to be a good showman - or to borrow your term, to 'sell' the performance (whereas you're looking for him to 'sell' the song).

But to your posit about us having different sensibilities, I tend to think words get in the way of music, though of course not so much with rock as it does with jazz. I'm not suggesting that's some enlightened take on the matter, just my particular angle.

My only real reservation about Elvis is he basically was all there was for so long; it wasn't like there was an easily acceptable alternative for American frontman that wasn't cardboard-cutout clean-cut guy in a tie singing a simple 12-bar or simpler II-V-I pop chart, whereas, say, by the time Axl shows up there's at least some history to pick and choose from giving the listener a chance to have a more 'informed' choice. That said, Elvis did bring some decent music to honkeys in a time when they wouldn't have been caught dead listening to, much less purchasing, a Chess record ... so he's got that going for him.

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I mentioned here before that I was backstage at a few Chicago concerts. Very nice group of guys. I also met Norm Van Lier the same night. They had a lot of hits over the years,'bout time!

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