I was comparing their respective careers as Bulls players. The reason i give Gordon the edge is because the Bulls improved the day he entered the league. There are some other factors but he played a major role in the improvement of the team. They made the playoffs his rookie year. Conversely during Crawford time they never came close to making the playoffs. Neither did the Knicks for that matter. Gordon's arrival coincided with Crawford's departure so it can be argued that the Bulls became better just by subtracting Crawford from the team.

You are contradicting yourself by stating that Paxson is an idiot for allowing Crawford without compensation one hand, then stating that Crawford isn't really good or you don't like Crawford as a player on the other. Choose a lane. That may be the reason why Paxson allowed him to walk without compensation don't you think?

Crawford has been the better player in the latter half of their careers, but Ben Gordon's tenure with the Bulls are better than any 4 years of Crawford's career. That is my point. Gordon was a better playoff performer also. There is a reason that Crawford has been on 6 or 7 teams during his career. the Clippers have had the guy on the block for about the last year and the half and can't find any takers. As far as 6th man goes he has two wins to Gordon's one. Steve Nash has 2 MVPs to Kobe's one does that make him a better player also. Crawford's time with Bulls was awful. Both he and the team were bad. He was a shoot first guy that took bad shots and couldn't defend. His time with the Knicks was similar. Didn't make the playoffs until his 9th year in the league. Didn't even get close.

Lastly you said that teams would rather watch McDermottr shoot than Butler. that implies that teams think Butler is a better shooter than McDermott He isn't.

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I never called Butler a better "shooter." But he is clearly a better scorer than McDermott, and teams will prevent Butler from shooting / driving / isolating over McDermott. It is just a basic fact. The guy guarding Butler isn't going to help on McDermott. Sorry. Just won't happen unless defensive rotations break down terribly.

Why would I like Jamal Crawford if I never liked Ben Gordon, Carmelo Anthony, JR Smith or any other scrub "grab the ball, put up as many shots as possible and play little defense" player? I don't hate Ben Gordon. I hate his style of basketball. It isn't winning basketball.

You never addressed why Jamal Crawford won Sixth Man twice and sucks but Ben Gordon won it once and is awesome.

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Going to have to give this win to IMU.

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Disagree. To say his percentage has been declining isn't really saying much. He was shooting 54% from three earlier in the year. Its bound to decline. He isn't going to be a 40% shooter ever. He shoots too well and he takes good shots. IMU you have to be a little more consistent.

He still sucks though. How dare these statistics contradict the narrative? How dare he start in front of the likes of Etwaun Moore? How dare he prove the great Tom Thibodeau wrong? Pure blasphemy I'll say.

It seems like sometimes ltg is okay with statistics.

So... in November, McDermott shot 53.3%. In December, 45.8%. In January, 38.7%. This is a trend.

43.1% for the season. Great chance for him to be a 40% shooter for two consecutive years, after it was said he would 'never' be a 40% shooter.

His traditional basketball stats look bad. The advanced metrics? Negatives everywhere.

The eye test confirms it. The statistics confirm it.

McDermott is bad. Likely not in the league in five years. Best case scenario? 11th man.

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McDermott is lucky Moore doesn't play the same position, or McDermott would be getting 0 playing time. Moore is shooting better than McDermott this year, and Moore isn't even know as a 'knockdown' shooter.

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McDermott is lucky Moore doesn't play the same position, or McDermott would be getting 0 playing time. Moore is shooting better than McDermott this year, and Moore isn't even know as a 'knockdown' shooter.

Moore offends me. I'd take anyone in the NBDL over him. Guy freezes under any kind of pressure.

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who is the worse chicago team drafted white "Mc" draft pick in the last 5 years? mcsuckits or mcslowen?

McDermott sucks. He's sucked ever since Day 1. We should have drafted Gary Harris, like I said at the time.

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Gary Harris hasn't been blowing the spot up unless I missed something. I actually was inclined to draft Levine but His I.Q. is terrible. There weren't many players drafted later that are going to be better. There was a lot of support for the drafting of McDermott but conspicuously his supporters have disappeared once he started actually playing games. Very Lance Stephenson like IMO.

I'm not saying Harris is an All Star but he's already 10x the player McDermott is and he's getting better. Like IMU said, McDermott won't be in the league five years from now.

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I wouldn't place too much stock in any predictions provided by IMU. Portis is supposed to be the next Tyrus Thomas, remember.

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Contrary to what is purported in the thread title McDermott hasn't been a bust. I think this may be a case where those that didn't believe he'd be the 2nd coming of Larry Bird are patting themselves on the back. Some had him overrated and that was a mistake. He is,not flopping and he has shown that he can play in the NBA. Also it's presumptuous to suggest that he's right about McDermott while McDermott is still an active member in the NBA.

I was wrong about the Bobby Portis / Tyrus Thomas comp.

Tyrus Thomas actually had a better rookie season.

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For an 11th pick who cost the 16 and 19 picks to draft, he's going to have to show more than having "shown that he can play in the NBA."

For an 11th pick who cost the 16 and 19 picks to draft, he's going to have to show more than having "shown that he can play in the NBA."

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Can you definitively provide three guys drafted after him that will be better pros? Particularly after the 16th pick?

He hasn't even shown he can play in the NBA, unless we are taking that phrase as literally as possible and every person who's every logged a minute qualifies. He's been one of the 10-15 worst rotation players in the league on defense, and he's below average offensively and getting worse every month, as IMU noted. After 1.5 seasons, he absolutely is a bust. There's no other way to describe him right now. He's been a total disappointment as a lottery pick.

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It will become apparent if he can play or not during the next 4 weeks.