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I can see the guys that actually do this job saying that it's a profession that requires experience and that JORR is ridiculous to think he (or any of the other pantsless cretins with whom he associates on the Internet) could just walk into the studio and do that job.


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To appreciate these skills and some of the difficulties involved, you might wish to do an experiment. Try sitting alone in a room with a clock, turning on a tape recorder, and starting to speak into it. Speak about anything you want—with the proviso that your topic, and your opinions on it, must be of interest to some group of strangers who you imagine will be listening to the tape. Naturally, in order to be even minimally interesting, your remarks should be intelligible and their reasoning sequential—a listener will have to be able to follow the logic of what you're saying—which means that you will have to know enough about your topic to organize your statements in a coherent way. (But you cannot do much of this organizing beforehand; it has to occur at the same time you're speaking.) Plus, ideally, what you're saying should be not just comprehensible and interesting but compelling, stimulating, which means that your remarks have to provoke and sustain some kind of emotional reaction in the listeners, which in turn will require you to construct some kind of identifiable persona for yourself—your comments will need to strike the listener as coming from an actual human being, someone with a real personality and real feelings about whatever it is you're discussing. And it gets even trickier: You're trying to communicate in real time with someone you cannot see or hear responses from; and though you're communicating in speech, your remarks cannot have any of the fragmentary, repetitive, garbled qualities of real interhuman speech, or speech's ticcy unconscious "umm"s or "you know"s, or false starts or stutters or long pauses while you try to think of how to phrase what you want to say next. You're also, of course, denied the physical inflections that are so much a part of spoken English—the facial expressions, changes in posture, and symphony of little gestures that accompany and buttress real talking. Everything unspoken about you, your topic, and how you feel about it has to be conveyed through pitch, volume, tone, and pacing. The pacing is especially important: it can't be too slow, since that's low-energy and dull, but it can't be too rushed or it will sound like babbling. And so you have somehow to keep all these different imperatives and structures in mind at the same time, while also filling exactly, say, eleven minutes, with no dead air and no going over, such that at 10:46 you have wound things up neatly and are in a position to say, "KFI is the station with the most frequent traffic reports. Alan LaGreen is in the KFI Traffic Center" (which, to be honest, Mr. Z. sometimes leaves himself only three or even two seconds for and has to say extremely fast, which he can always do without a flub). So then, ready: go.


But that's political talk radio, flying solo and working within what sounds like a pretty rigid hot clock: a different skill set. These aren't really things the Score requires. Being able to have an interesting conversation on the air is something I think you could do.

I didn't include all the footnotes from that excerpt, but this one feels especially pertinent in a Bernstein thread:

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Consider the special intimacy of talk radio. It's usually listened to solo—radio is the most solitary of broadcast media. And half-an-ear background-listening is much more common with music formats than with talk. This is a human being speaking to you, with a pro-caliber voice, eloquently and with passion, in what feels like a one-to-one; it doesn't take long before you start to feel you know him. Which is why it's often such a shock when you see a real host, his face—you discover you've had a picture of this person in your head without knowing it, and it's always wrong. This dissonant shock is one reason why Rush and Dr. Laura, even with their huge built-in audiences, did not fare well on TV.

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I think some of you guys grossly overestimate the standards when it comes to national sports radio. Cowherd was probably ESPN's biggest national radio presence and ESPN didn't give a damn about the countless vile things he said for years until he was already on the way out the door for another national job. Bomani Jones successfully trolls more white people in a month than Bernstein does in a year (more hilariously too, but that's neither here nor there), and he also regularly commits the supposed big no-no of discussing politics on his various platforms as well. Paul Finebaum's first notable national appearance was making a fool of himself defending Hank Williams Jr and he was shortly thereafter rewarded with a bigger platform than ever. Doug Gottlieb has has stuck his foot in his mouth on political and racial issues on multiple occasions and is still the main national afternoon drive show for CBS.

I don't disagree that Bernstein is a jackass but I also think his toxic history is not close to the top of the list when it comes to reasons why he hasn't gotten a national gig.


Bernstein has not taken off on a national stage because he is perceived to be a marginal talent. Nothing more nothing less. Cowherd is entertaining. A few other guys also. They also inform and they don't constantly denigrate the very medium which is responsible for feeding them. Sports is still the driving force for Cowherd, Jones, and Gottlieb. It stopped being that for Bernstein yrs ago.

I'm not interested in listening to a nerdy guy that goes out of his way to seem cool. That is the problem with sports personalities that focus too much on being a personality and not enough on sports. If you don't have enough life experiences to keep a person interested it falls flat. That's what has happened with Bernstein. Boers could do that because you get the impression that he has had experiences. Bernstein really hasnt. If you have to incessantly talk about your kid to have real world experience, then you really haven't done much.


Which is a main reason why I have switched to the W&S show. Sure, Silvy can be a bit vanilla, but he doesn't go out over his skis, and still will offer up an opinion, or get into it with a caller without the condescension. I know some can't stand Waddle, but I have never had an issue with him, plus he actually lends credibility with his NFL experience. While the show may touch upon serious issues, they do so, offer their thoughts, and then MOVE ON, instead of beating the topical dead horse for four hours.

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I disagree. Personality is everything. I mean, if Bernstein weren't Bernstein, I never would have gotten into the Score back in 2006. I would've been jazzed about the Bears coming back to beat the Cardinals and I would have moved on with my life. Granted, the guy has become a total jerkoff in the last couple years, but you can't build a lasting relationship with your listeners if there's nothing to you.

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Bernstein has not taken off on a national stage because he is perceived to be a marginal talent. Nothing more nothing less. Cowherd is entertaining. A few other guys also. They also inform and they don't constantly denigrate the very medium which is responsible for feeding them. Sports is still the driving force for Cowherd, Jones, and Gottlieb. It stopped being that for Bernstein yrs ago.

I'm not interested in listening to a nerdy guy that goes out of his way to seem cool. That is the problem with sports personalities that focus too much on being a personality and not enough on sports. If you don't have enough life experiences to keep a person interested it falls flat. That's what has happened with Bernstein. Boers could do that because you get the impression that he has had experiences. Bernstein really hasnt. If you have to incessantly talk about your kid to have real world experience, then you really haven't done much.


Also, let me add that at this point I believe this is correct.

Let's remember that some years back, when B&B was THE show, Danny was called on a few times to fill in for the Dan Patrick show. Bernstein altered his usual schtick to be the "normal/straight/polite/good guy", probably thinking that would be the key to getting closer to a national job. Seeing that got him nowhere, he probably felt that doubling down on his douchey persona in Chicago may make more noise and get him noticed. Either way, after what, 17 years in his current role, and over 20 years at the station, his window closed a long time ago.

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Sticking to sports has been tough for Dan the last six years or so, with the only team capable of winning shit being the one team he despises.

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Dicaro getting a lot of mic time lately.

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Dicaro getting a lot of mic time lately.




Do you think they are seeing if she might be Danny's new P?


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Dicaro getting a lot of mic time lately.




Do you think they are seeing if she might be Danny's new P?

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Sticking to sports has been tough for Dan the last six years or so, with the only team capable of winning shit being the one team he despises.


That's a misnomer. The time when true personalities shine in local sports radio occur when they are watching organizational train wrecks. Teams that are terrible are like gold in local sports radio.
Think of Murphy's constant ripping of the Cubs, or North and his bashing of the Bears during the 90's. That is how he made his name.

I'd much rather hear that than listen to Bernstein talk about basketball hell with a team that won 62 games. I'd much rather hear that than listen to non stop talk about CTE or child rape.

Whenever you go out of your way to bite the hand that feeds you its going to backfire. Mully and Hanley lack a lot when it comes to personality, but at least you know that you are going to be provided with sports information and analysis when you listen to them. You don't get much of that with Bernstein these days.

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I posted a few years ago about how Berns was the rising star in Chicago sports media, with TV appearances, national fill in gigs for Patrick, and lots of pub...and he shit the bed and ruined his reputation. When he loses his WSCR gig, he'll be begging people to hire him.

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what do you think Bernstein would do if he was out at SCR and no one wanted to hire him? I mean, he could probably afford to retire seeing as that hes been rich his entire life, but i like to picture him deciding if hes going to take the one commercial bit hes been offered for Buddig lunch meats or do play by play for the chicago celebrity softball game featuring Jim Belushi

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I dunno, this kinda reminds me of that guy who said he wanted Dan and his family to be homeless. I don't wish any sort of serious professional ill on him. I just want him to be funny and thoughtful again.

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I dunno, this kinda reminds me of that guy who said he wanted Dan and his family to be homeless. I don't wish any sort of serious professional ill on him. I just want him to be funny and thoughtful again.


sure. i guess im just looking at it as a bully receiving his comeuppance. because for as much as Dan likes to come off like he's anti-bullying hes...so clearly not.

but to see him have to resort to Norman Chad levels of annoying would be delicious.

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I dunno, this kinda reminds me of that guy who said he wanted Dan and his family to be homeless. I don't wish any sort of serious professional ill on him. I just want him to be funny and thoughtful again.


Wanting Dan to be homeless would be wishing personal ill on him, which is indeed icky and weird. I wish all sorts of professional ill on him because he's a terrible radio host and the world would be a better place if he didn't have access to a mass-media platform.

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Dicaro getting a lot of mic time lately.




Do you think they are seeing if she might be Danny's new P?


Lawyer, check

Cubs fan, check

Social Justice Warrior, check

Lies or hints at knowing inside info to seem superior, check

She meets all of the qualifications.

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Dicaro getting a lot of mic time lately.




Do you think they are seeing if she might be Danny's new P?


Lawyer, check

Cubs fan, check

Social Justice Warrior, check

Lies or hints at knowing inside info to seem superior, check

She meets all of the qualifications.


He'll probably end up with an actual partner, but I wouldn't underestimate a scenario where she continues to be the update person, but who jumps in to agree with Dan's liberal garbage and Abattacola does his "hilarious" routine where he jumps in on sports topics to "question" Bernstein.

That way, Bernstein doesn't have a true partner, but has 2 voices that occasionally jump in to the conversation.


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I'm really hoping Dan does go for a person like Rongey or Dicaro who truly believe in the liberal warrior stuff that Dan pretends to be concerned over.

At some point the curtain would be pulled and Dan would be exposed for his true political leanings which is basically a guy from Bridgeport but add in hating blue collar workers, non-Jews and people not from Manhattan.
Worst case (I mean best) scenario the show would be absolute garbage and Dan would have to fire one of them to save face.

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You think Rongey actually cares about any of that? He's just a Lincoln Park chad.

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I think Rongey is more of a Ballpark Village Vincent.

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Dan solo is really bad. But then I really don't like any solo sportsradio.

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Dan solo is really bad.


Dan Solo would've been a good replacement for Han.

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That's the kind of funny that got you reinstated at this place

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Some guy, Ray Stevens from a country radio show just tweeted Mitch Rosen saying he'd join Bernstein "when the old guy leaves".

Rosen favorited it. Obviously not an endorsement, but an acknowledgement of TBs departure.

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"Some guy"? That's Ramblin' Red Rectum!

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Quoting from DFW's "Host":

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To appreciate these skills and some of the difficulties involved, you might wish to do an experiment. Try sitting alone in a room with a clock, turning on a tape recorder, and starting to speak into it. Speak about anything you want—with the proviso that your topic, and your opinions on it, must be of interest to some group of strangers who you imagine will be listening to the tape. Naturally, in order to be even minimally interesting, your remarks should be intelligible and their reasoning sequential—a listener will have to be able to follow the logic of what you're saying—which means that you will have to know enough about your topic to organize your statements in a coherent way. (But you cannot do much of this organizing beforehand; it has to occur at the same time you're speaking.) Plus, ideally, what you're saying should be not just comprehensible and interesting but compelling, stimulating, which means that your remarks have to provoke and sustain some kind of emotional reaction in the listeners, which in turn will require you to construct some kind of identifiable persona for yourself—your comments will need to strike the listener as coming from an actual human being, someone with a real personality and real feelings about whatever it is you're discussing. And it gets even trickier: You're trying to communicate in real time with someone you cannot see or hear responses from; and though you're communicating in speech, your remarks cannot have any of the fragmentary, repetitive, garbled qualities of real interhuman speech, or speech's ticcy unconscious "umm"s or "you know"s, or false starts or stutters or long pauses while you try to think of how to phrase what you want to say next. You're also, of course, denied the physical inflections that are so much a part of spoken English—the facial expressions, changes in posture, and symphony of little gestures that accompany and buttress real talking. Everything unspoken about you, your topic, and how you feel about it has to be conveyed through pitch, volume, tone, and pacing. The pacing is especially important: it can't be too slow, since that's low-energy and dull, but it can't be too rushed or it will sound like babbling. And so you have somehow to keep all these different imperatives and structures in mind at the same time, while also filling exactly, say, eleven minutes, with no dead air and no going over, such that at 10:46 you have wound things up neatly and are in a position to say, "KFI is the station with the most frequent traffic reports. Alan LaGreen is in the KFI Traffic Center" (which, to be honest, Mr. Z. sometimes leaves himself only three or even two seconds for and has to say extremely fast, which he can always do without a flub). So then, ready: go.


But that's political talk radio, flying solo and working within what sounds like a pretty rigid hot clock: a different skill set. These aren't really things the Score requires. Being able to have an interesting conversation on the air is something I think you could do.



When you consider that for 13 hours of the day there is at least one co-host that is an incessantly babling voice (Mully, Goff, Boers) one realizes how low that bar is at WSCR. With a new sheriff in town I doubt he's going to look at the quality of the existing talent, just their contracts.

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