Yeah, from what he said, it seemed like he was getting confirmation on a car that he was looking at a couple days before anyone found the car.

If you want to get real conspiracy-y, the interview with the brother and ex-boyfriend about that was odd when they made it clear that they had not been on the property before and they both looked a bit dodgy. The theory, I guess, is that the police found the vehicle, planted some evidence, and then put it on the property. Then, they got the woman who found it who is a cousin and former private investigator go get permission and "find" the vehicle. She would be a better witness with her experience. Also, she found the car in 20 minutes, essentially walked right to it "guided by the Lord" or whatever.

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Here's a clip of that interview -

http://imgur.com/awfykxf

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Yeah I thought that part was very odd as well, no doubt lending to the filmmakers including it. That combined with her brother being so vocal with media during the trial and the odd bit where he accessed her voicemail made him seem like a very suspicious character. Not that he was necessarily involved in what happened to her but that maybe he knew more about what the police were up to.

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well I'm not ready to say he flat-out didn't do it, but i don't buy that he did it as it was painted by the prosecution, and she sure as shit didn't die in that garage getting stabbed and throat slashed and shot in the head like they said. with the evidence we were able to see in the show i don't know HOW there wasn't reasonable doubt enough to acquit him. that being said i wouldn't be letting him anywhere near my wife or daughter.

When the media interviewed the brother when she first went missing, he basically stated he was grieving and just waiting to find her body. How did he know she was dead?

that is one of many very good questions that never got answered that were presented in the show. i wanted to see him get grilled on the voicemail thing, but as quickly as I got excited about that line of questioning that was the end of it. He just guessed her password when he hacked her account? No follow-up on that? The phone company representative testified that messages had to have been deleted AFTER she when missing, and this clown admitted he hacked her account. Hello? that seems kind of important.

I'd say this about sums up what happened with the jury. The 7 who initially wanted to acquit probably didn't think he was innocent so much as they thought the prosecution's story was shit and the investigation was suspect. But I think most people would be reluctant to let someone go on that basis alone. Its easy for us to say he shouldn't have been convicted on this evidence but being in that position it would be hard to set acquit if I thought he probably still did it.


He certainly did seem to resign himself to her being dead awful fast. It was like day 3 when he said that, right? The brother is a weird character and the filmmakers no doubt wanted to point some fingers his way without actually declaring anything.

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I thought that was one of the more "explosive" revelations and it really went nowhere. Even the show didn't dive deep into that one. I think the idea was obviously this was odd behavior but you couldn't conceivably "go after" the victims family like that. Even now in the show, I think there's a real reluctance to directly address the odd behavior of the brother as being suspicious.

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The juror who recently spoke to the media said that the verdict was a compromise which is why they inexplicably found him guilty on one count and not the other.

He claimed they did that to send a message and be certain he had grounds for an appeal. I'm not sure I believe that exactly but it was odd that he wasn't found guilty on both charges.

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I don't think it's impossible that he did this, nor would I say it's impossible the cops planted this shit on him.
That's why I couldn't find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt myself, based of course on the parts of the trial shown in this show.
The prosecution didn't prove their case. Their theory on how it went down is flat out wrong. You can't shoot someone, stab them, slash their throat and leave no dna in the rooms. Unless you dexter up the room I guess. But he wouldn't have had the kind of prep time he needed.
And... if he did do it that way, plastic sheets everywhere and all, why the hell would he leave the key in the kill room and the body and car on the property?
The processions case makes no sense.

You know who is the weirdest fucker of them all is the brother who went hunting that day. That dude makes my spidey senses tingle.

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Yes, the brother and Ex bf interview about when they were on the lot was weird.


And the fucking Public Defender who cant stop smiling is creepy

if the brother had something to do with it, he would have to have connections to the sheriffs department. why would the brother arrange for his sister to die and hang it on some auto-junker if he didn't have some stake in it? If Avery didn't do it, someone close to that sheriffs department had to have arranged it all. would the sheriffs department be willing to actually kill an innocent citizen to get rid of Avery? when i start looking at it like that i start thinking that sounds more far-fetched and outrageous then Avery having done it himself even if the prosecution completely missed the target on the method used.

For the many of you wondering about Donnie Wahlberg's take on this....


http://splash.suntimes.com/2016/01/07/donnie-wahlberg-on-making-a-murderer

I don't think the brother necessarily had anything to do with her murder, I just think he probably was more aware of the nature of the police investigation than he lets on, particularly as it concerns the discovery of the vehicle.

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I don't know off he had anything to do with it. I think someone on the property had something to do with it. Between them knowing to try to frame Avery and the cops wanting to frame him, it was a perfect storm.

Sounds like most of the family had violent sexual pasts.

Whoa just saw the blood sample with the syringe sized hole

Waiting for the netflix doco: Making a grilled cheese before I jump on.

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Oh, it gets better.

I just finished the series earlier today. I must say, I found myself getting real agitated and worked up over this case and the ineptitude of the whole legal system as a whole. I wanted to punch Brendan's 1st public defender, what a total piece of shit.

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Have you heard of the the West Memphis 3?

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That's insane to me. A compromise. Is that how a jury is supposed to work? Remind me to never to anything stupid to land in this type is mess. It seems all backwards. You are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

I served on a first degree murder trial jury in 2014. Right when we started deliberation, one guy said he would vote either way just to get it over with.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Thats is so 70s.... This is 2016. We have all been guilty until proven innocent for decades now.

The best defense you have is to avoid law enforcement at all costs.

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Read an article how they made one of these about a guy wrongly imprisoned for rape like 18 years. Dude was a mess and murdered someone after he was out.

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Wait... what?

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I'll bet that would be quite a documentary. America would eat it up. Petitions would be signed and we'd probably have a multi page thread on it

Maybe they got it wrong.

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Was in rolling stone and came across yahoo feed. I'd have to search it but it was in the last week I read it.

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I wonder why we've not talked about this then. Sounds fascinating.

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Ok if it's already out here sorry smart ass.

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