Ok if it's already out here sorry smart ass.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

Only saw the last few posts and thought this thread was as if making a murderer was about many stories not just one.

Only saw the last few posts and thought this thread was as if making a murderer was about many stories not just one.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

I served on a first degree murder trial jury in 2014. Right when we started deliberation, one guy said he would vote either way just to get it over with.

Also maybe make it volunteer or something not where during jury selection everyone is trying their hardest to get out of it.

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

This is an incredibly stupid idea.

Maybe they should pay people more than 15 a day or whatever it is now. So people aren't worried about losing money/vacation days. Also maybe make it volunteer or something not where during jury selection everyone is trying their hardest to get out of it.

Julie DiCaro ‏@JulieDiCaro Jan 9
Why is Len Kuchinsky conceding that his client is guilty in TV interviews? Bad lawyer. #MakingAMurderer

Impossible

Pay people whatever a city clerk makes

$30/hr. You'd have people lined up around the block.

And how long would a jury deliberate for if they are on the clock for 30 an hour of tax payer dime. It would cost 3,360 per day per jury.

Steven Avery’s past incident with a cat was not “goofing around”.
He soaked his cat in gasoline or oil, and lit it on a fire to watch it suffer.

Steven Avery targeted Teresa. On Oct 31 (8:12 am) he called AutoTrader magazine and asked them to send “that same girl who was here last time.” On Oct 10, Teresa had been to the Avery property when Steve answered the door just wearing a towel. She said she would not go back because she was scared of him (obviously). Avery used a fake name and fake # (his sister’s) giving those to the AutoTrader receptionist, to trick Teresa into coming.

Teresa’s phone, camera and PDA were found 20 ft from Avery’s door, burned in his barrel. Why did the documentary not tell the viewers the contents of her purse were in his burn barrel, just north of the front door of his trailer?

While in prison, Avery told another inmate of his intent to build a “torture chamber” so he could rape, torture and kill young women when he was released. He even drew a diagram. Another inmate was told by Avery that the way to get rid of a body is to “burn it”…heat destroys DNA.
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The victim’s bones in the firepit were “intertwined” with the steel belts, left over from the car tires Avery threw on the fire to burn, as described by Dassey. That WAS where her bones were burned! Suggesting that some human bones found elsewhere (never identified as Teresa’s) were from this murder was NEVER established.

Also found in the fire pit was Teresa’s tooth (ID’d through dental records), a rivet from the “Daisy Fuentes” jeans she was wearing that day, and the tools used by Avery to chop up her bones during the fire.

Phone records show 3 calls from Avery to Teresa’s cell phone on Oct 31. One at 2:24, and one at 2:35–both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn’t know it him…both placed before she arrives. Then one last call at4:35 pm, without the *67 feature. Avery first believes he can simply say she never showed up (his original defense), so tries to establish the alibi call after she’s already been there, hence the 4:35 call. She will never answer of course, so he doesn’t need the *67 feature for that last call.

Avery’s DNA (not blood) was on the victim’s hood latch (under her hood in her hidden SUV). The SUV was at the crime lab since 11/5…how did his DNA get under the hood if Avery never touched her car? Do the cops have a vial of Avery’s sweat to “plant” under the hood?

Ballistics said the bullet found in the garage was fired by Avery’s rifle, which was in a police evidence locker since 11/6…if the cops planted the bullet, how did they get one fired from HIS gun? This rifle, hanging over Aver’s bed, is the source of the bullet found in the garage, with Teresa’s DNA on it. The bullet had to be fired BEFORE 11/5—did the cops borrow his gun, fire a bullet, recover the bullet before planting the SUV, then hang on to the bullet for 4 months in case they need to plant it 4 months later?

Phone records be phone records. Actual phone calls too. All presented at trial:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/juro ... 19931.html


http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/stev ... 21141.html


here's the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's original coverage. Prolly take less time to read it and you'll get more
info than watching some ten hour tv show:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/cove ... 28481.html

The ballistics claim seems like it should have some sort of link other than Ken Kratz saying "Ballistics says..."

Didnt he say it was virtually impossible to plant blood and then they showed how easily it could have happened?

I dont doubt the phone calls

First, some general observations:

■Those who watched all of "Making A Murderer" saw some 10 hours of film. The jurors (who were from Manitowoc County, even though the trial was held in neighboring Calumet County) heard more than a month's worth of testimony.

■The filmmakers, based on my observations of their work before and during Avery's trial, were talented and tireless — and essentially embedded with Avery's family and his lawyers. That doesn't negate the questions their film raises. But their approach must be considered in evaluating the series.

■"Making A Murderer" focuses compellingly on the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department, which was largely responsible for Avery's wrongful conviction in a 1985 sexual assault that put him behind bars for 18 years. How, the film asks, could Manitowoc County deputies play a major role in the Halbach murder investigation? After all, at the time, Avery was suing Manitowoc County, seeking $36 million for his imprisonment. And responsibility for the murder investigation had been transferred to the sheriff in Calumet County to avoid any conflict of interest.

■Two of Wisconsin's top lawyers represented Avery, whose case was helped by a $400,000 settlement he received for the wrongful conviction lawsuit. That isn't to say they could not have missed crucial evidence. But these were veteran, resourceful attorneys, not inexperienced and overburdened public defenders.

■The theories of the prosecution and of Avery's attorneys are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Maybe Avery killed Halbach and deputies planted some of the evidence.

Now to the evidence.

I kinda think it should be a job or at least have some criteria met.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.