I am not saying don't select a QB. But they are just as likely to hit on a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round as in risking the 11 pick. I would rather they take the best guy on D with the 11 pick and taking a QB in the 2nd or 3rd

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This is not true.

First round picks have a higher rate of success by a significant margin. Just like the best guy on defense in the first round has a higher rate of success than the best guy on defense in the second round.

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I find it highly unlikely Lynch falls to 15. I find it unlikely he falls to 11. I think the top two QBs, whoever they may be, are locked in at Cleveland and San Fran.

Carson Wentz for NDSU is going to be the hot name guy. Paxton Lynch peaked too soon and then crapped the bed in a couple of big games.

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I'll tell you what I don't want: a player with a history of injuries. I'm tired of drafting those guys and projecting them as if they are going to heal. They don't .

My guy for today is Bruckner from Oregon

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Is anyone on the 'Bama defensive line "great"? Or do these guys benefit from offensive lines needing to spread their resources against 3 to 4 solid guys?

Off the top of my head I find it odd Marcell Dareus is the only recent Crimson Tide d-line player doing well in NFL.

Tide were a LB team at their core up until about a year ago until Manziel lit them up. Look at the Tide LB throughout the NFL.

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Ok fair enough.

My guess is the the success rate of D players selected at the 11 spot is higher than the success rate of QBs.

I would still take my chances going best D player at 11 and then looking at QB in 2 or 3.

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I understand that outlook.

Ideally, you'd pick someone in the third or fourth round and let them sit for 3 years. I don't really see that as an option here.

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It's starting to look like the #2 QB in the draft will be available when the Bears pick. If this is the case, this would probably be the time to take a QB.

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Todd McShay at ESPN did his Mock Draft 2.0

He has the Bears taking Myles Jack, LB, UCLA Bruins
"An outstanding natural athlete, Jack doesn't fill the Bears' biggest need (edge rusher), but he does given them a major playmaking upgrade at linebacker. While Alabama's Reggie Ragland (#16 to Lions) would be a more traditional ILB fit, Jack -- who's coming off a season-ending knee injury in September -- would provide more versatility in coverage."

QB's

Goff at #2 to Cleveland
Wentz at #4 to Dallas
Lynch at #15 to Rams

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That seems very high for Wentz and the guys need to say controversial things in their mocks to get people to click.

I think I have soured on Ragland in the first.

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Agreed. I subscribe to the school of thought of drafting an ILB in the top half of the 1st round being poor value. Unless the player is guaranteed to be transcendant like Luke Kuechly or Navorro Bowman getting a competent ILB isn't challenging (Unless you're Ted Thompson).

Hub said last evening that Wentz is the real deal per everyone at the senior bowl. He still said though that he thought none of the QB's should be in the top 15 based on talent alone.

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I guess the ESPN guys and Hub have different views on talent overall:

McShay has Goff at #9, Wentz #17, Lynch #24
Kiper has Goff at #5,Wentz #18, Lynch #19
Scouts Inc has Goff #6 Wentz #12, Lynch not in Top 32

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I am not hub defender but he seems close actually. In each of those guy's lists the 1st QB to go is likely earlier than 15 due to teams's need than just their talent.

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Just to be clear the ESPN ranks cited are based on overall talent not draft position. So when Hub said based on talent that is what these ranks are... when they do a mock I will post the Bears picks as I did yesterday.

It really comes down to each player and how the scout sees them.the ESPN guys all see Goff as a TOP 9 talent or better and Hub does not.

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With Forte gone, if Ezekiel Elliott is there at 11, do you take him? Pace said he always will take the best available. He very well might be that at the 11th pick.

A lot of people think he's gonna be a wang whipper in the NFL.

Nope. Way too many needs for this team; can always find a good RB in rounds 2-7.

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I will straight up assassinate someone there if they take him at 11.

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Why draft that guy in the first when you can get Josh Ferguson in the third.

I'll take Kenyan Drake in the 3rd-7th rounds

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I don't know much about him. I don't watch much college football. But I was listening to Hub tonight and he had a guest on suggesting that he could be a possibility. I hope not either unless this guy is an Adrian Peterson type.

He isn't.

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At best, he's a late 1st rounder.

I don't think he's special, though.

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I disagree.

I do agree that the Bears should not draft him.

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Today Mel Kiper posted his NFL Mock 2.0

He has Wentz #2 to Cleveland, Goff #4 Dallas

11. Chicago Bears

*Jaylon Smith, LB, Notre Dame

If Jaylon Smith didn't end his career at Notre Dame being carted off the field in the Fiesta Bowl, you're looking at a player who wouldn't be available here. If it's just about the tape, this is one of the top three or four players in the entire draft, a gifted sideline-to-sideline defender who can cover. The potential reward at a position of need makes him a great addition here.

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I have seen far too many players with injury histories drafted over the decades by the Bears who never regained health to be happy about this pick.

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That would be a horrible pick. The Bears need players now.

If he's available in the 2nd, he'd be worth it. But, no way you can take that chance in the 1st if you're the Bears.

No way they do this.

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Been hearing Darron Lee. Thoughts, doc?

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Buckner is my guy until he is someone else's guy earlier in the draft

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