For the same reason you did, Degenerate Dave!

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It seems like Cespedes is down to the Mets and the Sox. The Mets cannot offer more than 2 years (and probably only 1) while the Sox are not offering more than 3. It seem odd to me that out of all these players Cespedes would be the guy to get squeezed.

I think the Sox could get this deal done by moving off that 3 restriction. If they could do it for 4/80 that seems like a workable contract for both sides. That gives him more per year than Gordon with the same years. 5/90 would give him more years at the same price.

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Cespedes is better than Upton AND has no QO attached. He'll get PAID by somebody and not by miserly JR.

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I don't think the Sox are in on Cespedes at all. Smoke screen.

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Yeah, someone should have predicted this!~

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The Sox had money budgeted for a Samardzija extension, so if 4/$80 is what it takes to get it done the Sox can do it.

Why is this?

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Bernie Madoff took all their money.

It will only act to anger their fans when they don't get him.

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He is also older, even in Cuban years. I think he is better as well but I'm not SURE he is better. He's had some bland years in between a great rookie year and an MVP level 2015.

He is going to get paid. I don't think he will get Upton money. I think he will get better than Gordon.

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Here's the thing about Cespedes. His plate discipline is below average, and his career defensive rating is in the negative. Does that sound like a 20 million dollar player?

Justin Upton might be a brutal defender, but his offensive potential still gives him more value than Cespedes.

I wouldn't want either guy, for the record.

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How does Upton have a better offensive potential than Cespedes?

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

This is so unexpected. Did you run out of churro "jokes"?

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Upton could flirt with a .900 OPS. Cespedes is more likely to be in the .775 to .825 range.

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Upton is a career .825 and Cespedes is .805, and last season Cespedes had a better OPS.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Not the Really! Smart! Ones!

If they can't get Cespedes on a 3 yr or shorter deal I would rather they trade for one of the Colorado outfielders.

Yeah, Cespedes had a career year in 2015, but we have a 4 year track record that shows a walk rate of 6%. He doesn't work counts. He'll put up nice slugging figures, but it wouldn't shock me if he finished with an OBP south of .300 next season.

On the other hand, Upton has very respectable plate discipline. I'm expecting an OPS in the .850 to .900 range this season. He put up an .800 OPS with the Padres - believe me, that's no small feat. San Diego is where hitters go to die, generally speaking.

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I don't think Colorado will accept an "IOU Prospects"

I don't see why the Sox would consider losing prospects or picks when they have a good replacement available for a price that shouldn't choke them

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And men have lost their reason.

Nah.. Upton will have big dropoff in A.L. hes never been in the A.L.

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You're always suggesting the AL is tougher than the NL, so why do you get angry when people think the Cubs aren't too good?

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I don't get angry at all, I'm very consistent about The A.L. having better pitching.. Upton won't produce for Detroit like he did in the N.L.

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So the 97 Cub wins aren't that impressive since most occurred in an inferior league?

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

That's not what I said, But I think K.C. or Toronto would have slapped the Cubs around.

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I don't necessarily buy what you're saying here, but even if that were the case, I doubt that we'd be talking about a meaningful difference.

I mean, that's basically a fucking thesis statement. You don't want to be like one of those crusty old dudes hanging out in Dunkin' Donuts at 2 in the morning throwing around thesis statements left and right. I've seen it, and it ain't pretty.

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I can't even imagine what Chris Sale, Corey Kluber or David Price (among many others) would do to NL batters if bum-ass 6+ ERA in Baltimore Jake Arrieta can win the Cy Young.

Well, the AL was more than 30 games over .500 vs. the NL.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

When you take into account the fact that there are at minimum 5 NL teams who are in full tank mode doling out free wins to anyone who asks, contrasted with no AL teams other than maybe the Twins still, the NL's level of competition is closer to AAA than it is to the American League.

Naming some top starters means nothing. You'd have to do an exhaustive amount of research on every pitching staff, top-to-bottom.

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They would have better numbers....if they took the same juice Arrieta has been taking.

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