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 Post subject: Re: 1/19: Say No to Noah
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:53 pm 
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Just saying things does not make them so. You could make a similar list for Luol Deng, who I would also consider to be in the Hall of Very Good. He is fourth all-time in scoring behind three great scorers. You could not make a list that is comparable for Hinrich or Taj Gibson (the latter is laughable - Gibson is basically the same age as Noah).
I looked it up. You can.

Hinrich in all-time rankings:
Games: 3rd
Minutes played: 4th
Field Goals: 9th
3 Point Field Goals: 1st
Assists: 3rd
Steals: 3rd
Points: 8th
Defensive win shares: 7th
Win Share: 10th

And perhaps the best stat:
Value over replacement player: 8th

I only mentioned Gibson because he is starting to show up some of those lists too.


He shows up on some of the aggregate stats due to longevity, but I'd also put Hinrich in the Hall of Very Good, so I don't really see that as a knock. Beyond that, Noah is a much more unique player who had a much bigger impact on the game in his prime, which shows with his DPOY award and being 5th in MVP voting (and basically running point-center in the 2013 playoffs when Rose was hurt).

Gibson doesn't show up on many other than the lists of averages.

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 Post subject: Re: 1/19: Say No to Noah
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Heinrich is a future front office family member.

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 Post subject: Re: 1/19: Say No to Noah
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veganfan21 wrote:
I agree with all of this as well, except for Deng's case being simpler than Noah's. I think the DPOY award for Noah gives him a slight edge over Deng. Doesn't matter anyway to me since Noah and Deng are obvious candidates for the Hall of Very Good. Hinrich is there as well but maybe not as a first ballot HOF'er. By the way, is the hypothetical Chicago Bulls Hall of Very Good the same as the hypothetical Chicago Bulls Hall of Fame?

first ballot HOVG'er**

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 Post subject: Re: 1/19: Say No to Noah
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He can be Jr. Mascot with Benny the Bull; will be particularly useful for helping the crowd clap their hands along with that four bar lick from Nu Shooz.

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 Post subject: Re: 1/19: Say No to Noah
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Hall of the very good for Noah. Higher than Hinrich and equal to Deng. Made himself into an NBA player when it looked early on as though he'd be a bust. Not only did he turn out to be a player he became an All Star.

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 Post subject: Re: 1/19: Say No to Noah
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Heinrich is a future front office family member.

Yep, assistant coach/spy as soon as next year.

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 Post subject: Re: 1/19: Say No to Noah
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Glad everyone agrees Noah was very good.

I don't get the overloved argument anyway. I think you meant to use overrated Rick. Only an asshole would try to argue that how someone felt emotionally about a player was wrong.

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