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I haven't followed this argument (because I'm not a fan of self-torture), but at their peaks, Josh Smith is much better than Taj Gibson. #fact


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Josh Smith will never hit another 3 in a regular season game.

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Josh Smith will never hit another 3 in a regular season game.


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Josh Smith will never hit another 3 in a regular season game.


The Guangdong Southern Tigers and the Shanghai Sharks beg to differ.

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Josh Smith will never hit another 3 in a regular season game.


The Guangdong Southern Tigers and the Shanghai Sharks beg to differ.


Thanks for ruining my angle.

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Josh Smith will never hit another 3 in a regular season game.


The Guangdong Southern Tigers and the Shanghai Sharks beg to differ.


Thanks for ruining my angle.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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I haven't followed this argument (because I'm not a fan of self-torture), but at their peaks, Josh Smith is much better than Taj Gibson. #fact

That's fine, but I'm talking about right now.



The last time we did the "right now" portion of the debate he ended up outperforming Taj. He performed better during the regular season and playoffs. It's not looking good for ol Josh. He can't even see the floor with Blake Griffin being injured.

He may not be resurrecting any time soon. Taj may be the better player at this very moment but Taj really isn't any great shakes. He is winning this one by default at this point.

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Traded back to Houston today per Woj.


Probably best for him

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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Traded back to Houston today per Woj.


Probably best for him

Playing in China would be best for him.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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IMU wrote:
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Traded back to Houston today per Woj.


Probably best for him

Playing in China would be best for him.

This.

Michael Beasley just put up a 63 point/triple-double performance this week.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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Not going to take long to demonstrate that he is a better player than Taj. Should be rather easy now that he will begin receiving playing time again.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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Not going to take long to demonstrate that he is a better player than Taj. Should be rather easy now that he will begin receiving playing time again.

That's interesting because even over the last several years, Taj has better overall 'Per 36 Minutes' stats.

3 minutes or 30 minutes a game, Josh Smith still shoots low 40%. Sure he might score 14 PPG now... as long as he is allowed to take 17 shots per game. That is a lot of missed shots.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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He doesn't take a lot of shots never has been a big time scorer. His shooting percentage will be lower because he takes threes. About 44%or 45% for his career overall.

He is a better player than Taj. and it showed once he went to Houston last yr. Better player during the regular season and post season. Played a huge role in Houston's comeback against the Clippers. This while matched up against Griffin. Meanwhile Taj. was being thoroughly outplayed by Tristan Thompson.

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His field goal attempts per game, over the course of most of his seasons, is over 12 and up to 17. That is A LOT of shots for someone who is not a star. For perspective, Steph Curry has a career average of 16.7 (195 this season). Butler takes 16.2 FGA this season.

Another view...every season, about only 40-50 players take more than 12 FGA per game. 30 teams...let's say each team has a 9 man rotation...270 players.

Josh Smith shoots more than 220 other NBA players. In some years, he shot more than all but 20 players.

I don't care how good you think he is...he shouldn't be shooting that much for any team. Until he can learn to at least make 45% of his shots.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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His field goal attempts per game, over the course of most of his seasons, is over 12 and up to 17. That is A LOT of shots for someone who is not a star. For perspective, Steph Curry has a career average of 16.7 (195 this season). Butler takes 16.2 FGA this season.


He is not going to get 17 shots at this stage of the game. Maybe around 10 but he is better than Taj. Gibson at just about every facet of the game. Taj Gibson avg. 7 points a game. And that is an NBA starting power forward.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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His field goal attempts per game, over the course of most of his seasons, is over 12 and up to 17. That is A LOT of shots for someone who is not a star. For perspective, Steph Curry has a career average of 16.7 (195 this season). Butler takes 16.2 FGA this season.


He is not going to get 17 shots at this stage of the game. Maybe around 10 but he is better than Taj. Gibson at just about every facet of the game. Taj Gibson avg. 7 points a game. And that is an NBA starting power forward.

Use per 36 minute stats.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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His field goal attempts per game, over the course of most of his seasons, is over 12 and up to 17. That is A LOT of shots for someone who is not a star. For perspective, Steph Curry has a career average of 16.7 (195 this season). Butler takes 16.2 FGA this season.

Another view...every season, about only 40-50 players take more than 12 FGA per game. 30 teams...let's say each team has a 9 man rotation...270 players.

Josh Smith shoots more than 220 other NBA players. In some years, he shot more than all but 20 players.

I don't care how good you think he is...he shouldn't be shooting that much for any team. Until he can learn to at least make 45% of his shots.



If you look at the Top 5 teams in both conf. the Bulls would have the worst power forward of the group. Probably better than Indiana's and that is about it.

Josh Smith unquestionably proved last yr as he has done throughout his career, that he is the better player.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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His field goal attempts per game, over the course of most of his seasons, is over 12 and up to 17. That is A LOT of shots for someone who is not a star. For perspective, Steph Curry has a career average of 16.7 (195 this season). Butler takes 16.2 FGA this season.


He is not going to get 17 shots at this stage of the game. Maybe around 10 but he is better than Taj. Gibson at just about every facet of the game. Taj Gibson avg. 7 points a game. And that is an NBA starting power forward.

Use per 36 minute stats.


forget about advance stats and simply watch the game. Neither is going to play 36 min. so it doesn't matter much.

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Traded back to Houston today per Woj.


Probably best for him

Playing in China would be best for him.

This.

Michael Beasley just put up a 63 point/triple-double performance this week.
I'd rather have Beasley than Snell starting for The Bulls.

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 Post subject: Re: Josh Smith Waived
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His field goal attempts per game, over the course of most of his seasons, is over 12 and up to 17. That is A LOT of shots for someone who is not a star. For perspective, Steph Curry has a career average of 16.7 (195 this season). Butler takes 16.2 FGA this season.


He is not going to get 17 shots at this stage of the game. Maybe around 10 but he is better than Taj. Gibson at just about every facet of the game. Taj Gibson avg. 7 points a game. And that is an NBA starting power forward.

Use per 36 minute stats.


forget about advance stats and simply watch the game. Neither is going to play 36 min. so it doesn't matter much.

Both have played many increments of 36 minutes. Per 36 minutes is not an advanced statistic.

Per game stats are flawed when discussing bench players or players that don't get standard minutes from game to game. Neither of these players are standard starters.

Per 36 normalizes that and allows us to compare Josh Smith and Taj Gibson as if they were both starters getting good starter minutes.

It is hardly an advanced concept. This is basic stuff.

You strike me as a very blue collar, hot dog on sliced wheat bread with ketchup kind of guy.

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long time guy 2 weeks ago wrote:

Taj may be the better player at this very moment .


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He is a better player than Taj.

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His field goal attempts per game, over the course of most of his seasons, is over 12 and up to 17. That is A LOT of shots for someone who is not a star. For perspective, Steph Curry has a career average of 16.7 (195 this season). Butler takes 16.2 FGA this season.

Another view...every season, about only 40-50 players take more than 12 FGA per game. 30 teams...let's say each team has a 9 man rotation...270 players.

Josh Smith shoots more than 220 other NBA players. In some years, he shot more than all but 20 players.

I don't care how good you think he is...he shouldn't be shooting that much for any team. Until he can learn to at least make 45% of his shots.



If you look at the Top 5 teams in both conf. the Bulls would have the worst power forward of the group. Probably better than Indiana's and that is about it.

Josh Smith unquestionably proved last yr as he has done throughout his career, that he is the better player.


Taj played injured the entire season.

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His field goal attempts per game, over the course of most of his seasons, is over 12 and up to 17. That is A LOT of shots for someone who is not a star. For perspective, Steph Curry has a career average of 16.7 (195 this season). Butler takes 16.2 FGA this season.


He is not going to get 17 shots at this stage of the game. Maybe around 10 but he is better than Taj. Gibson at just about every facet of the game. Taj Gibson avg. 7 points a game. And that is an NBA starting power forward.

Use per 36 minute stats.


forget about advance stats and simply watch the game. Neither is going to play 36 min. so it doesn't matter much.


Per 36 isn't really an advanced stat and you've admitted that you don't watch all the games and I'm sure you aren't watching all the Rockets or Clippers games.

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He is not going to get 17 shots at this stage of the game. Maybe around 10 but he is better than Taj. Gibson at just about every facet of the game. Taj Gibson avg. 7 points a game. And that is an NBA starting power forward.[/quote]
Use per 36 minute stats.[/quote]

forget about advance stats and simply watch the game. Neither is going to play 36 min. so it doesn't matter much.[/quote]
Both have played many increments of 36 minutes. Per 36 minutes is not an advanced statistic.

Per game stats are flawed when discussing bench players or players that don't get standard minutes from game to game. Neither of these players are standard starters.

Per 36 normalizes that and allows us to compare Josh Smith and Taj Gibson as if they were both starters getting good starter minutes.

It is hardly an advanced concept. This is basic stuff.

You strike me as a very blue collar, hot dog on sliced wheat bread with ketchup kind of guy.[/quote]






You strike me as a guy that gets all of his basketball information from books. You don't watch a lot of basketball. Everything is statistic based. Advanced stats are for fools. In the immortal words of one Mark Twain " there are lies, damn lies, and statistics". You may want to subscribe to that concept. It's obvious you don't watch much basketball because you can never have a discussion without quoting statistics. It's not really intellect as much as its ignorant. Anyone can cherry pick stats.

It's obvious that a guy that has been a starter for the vast majority of his career is better than a guy that has been a bench player for most of his career. I know what per 36 means actually.

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His field goal attempts per game, over the course of most of his seasons, is over 12 and up to 17. That is A LOT of shots for someone who is not a star. For perspective, Steph Curry has a career average of 16.7 (195 this season). Butler takes 16.2 FGA this season.

Another view...every season, about only 40-50 players take more than 12 FGA per game. 30 teams...let's say each team has a 9 man rotation...270 players.

Josh Smith shoots more than 220 other NBA players. In some years, he shot more than all but 20 players.

I don't care how good you think he is...he shouldn't be shooting that much for any team. Until he can learn to at least make 45% of his shots.



If you look at the Top 5 teams in both conf. the Bulls would have the worst power forward of the group. Probably better than Indiana's and that is about it.

Josh Smith unquestionably proved last yr as he has done throughout his career, that he is the better player.


Taj played injured the entire season.


it's not like he is playing much better this yr. Stop with the excuses. He was never that good injury or no injury. He has only had one really good yr as a pro when you really look at it.

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He can't jump anymore but he's playing better. Josh Smith is still a cancer too. If it's close any smart basketball guy is taking Taj.

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He can't jump anymore but he's playing better. Josh Smith is still a cancer too. If it's close any smart basketball guy is taking Taj.


I have little use for Taj, but that he can't jump anymore makes him largely worthless at his salary. But then again, slap boxing bench guy Josh is just about equally worthless.

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