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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:49 am 
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That's the deal you want to sign Cespdes on but if he wanted to stay with the Mets there's not much you can do. There is still move out there that can really improve the team. Hopefully they can match up with Colorado on a Blackmon deal.


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I wouldn't give him $27.5MM for a year either.

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I wouldn't give him $27.5MM for a year either.



Sox probably win a WC with him, they should have tossed 4-100 @ him. Gordon and Cespedes tested the water n didn't get offers they thought so they settled to stay.

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That's the deal you want to sign Cespdes on but if he wanted to stay with the Mets there's not much you can do. There is still move out there that can really improve the team. Hopefully they can match up with Colorado on a Blackmon deal.



I could see Hahn trading for Deaza, Mets don't need him now.

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The point is the Sox cut off the supply of minor league position players to Chicago for 2 years and all they have to show for it is Todd Frazier, a compensation pick and holes all around the diamond.

The thought was if the Sox were going to sacrifice three players who could've contributed in 2016 for Frazier that they would be replaced in free agency. Didn't happen. I'd rather have:

1 Eaton
2 Semien
3 Abreu
4 Melky
5 Lawrie
6 LaRoche
7 Trayce
8 Micah
9 Navarro/Avila/<a catcher>

Than what the Sox have now.


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No one needs De Aza.


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Fuck this.

81 wins at best. Those two good moves over the winter end up meaningless without the additional move.

They have enough talent not to suck. Yeah!

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They have upgraded 2nd, 3rd, and catcher. They are betting that Eaton, Melky, Garcia, and LaRoche have more normal years.

I can see where they think they are better, if you drink the Kool-Aid.

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Shark is probably addition by subtraction with the starting rotation as well.

I could see them making a trade for an OF.

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They are betting that Eaton, Melky have more normal years.

What?

Adam Eaton just played his best season of baseball. And it was his only true 'full season' as a starter.

What is a normal year for Melky? Starting the synthetic testosterone in January instead of May?

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They are betting that Eaton, Melky have more normal years.

What?

Adam Eaton just played his best season of baseball. And it was his only true 'full season' as a starter.

What is a normal year for Melky? Starting the synthetic testosterone in January instead of May?

Guess you don't remember what a bad start they had? By the time the two of them started hitting, the Sox were out of it.

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Guess you don't remember the great finish they had. If they would have reversed their first and second halves, the Sox still aren't in the playoffs.

Over the course of a season, performance tends to normalize. Sure, next year Eaton might not have such cold months...but he also might not have such hot months. I fully expect Adam Eaton to be consistent from year to year and he had just under a .800 OPS. The Sox don't expect better, and don't need better.

Other players need to step up....the ones doing their jobs shouldn't have to carry 20 teammates.

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Guess you don't remember the great finish they had. If they would have reversed their first and second halves, the Sox still aren't in the playoffs.

Over the course of a season, performance tends to normalize. Sure, next year Eaton might not have such cold months...but he also might not have such hot months. I fully expect Adam Eaton to be consistent from year to year and he had just under a .800 OPS. The Sox don't expect better, and don't need better.

Other players need to step up....the ones doing their jobs shouldn't have to carry 20 teammates.
IMU making sense.

Maybe Hahn is just hoping that the Sox are a year early :D

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Eaton had a shit year defensively, and he can't run the bases too well, but he still finished with a 3.6 WAR - that says a lot. A .360 OBP and 51 extra-base hits is pretty damn respectable out of the leadoff slot.

I think that he can be an adequate defender, but his issues on the basepaths are indicative of bad instincts, and he's already 27, so I don't know if he can improve much going forward.

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If I wanted Adam Eaton's dashboard on Fangraphs I'd just go to Fangraphs.

But great input man! Hey, can you tell me if Mike Trout is any good?


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America wrote:
If I wanted Adam Eaton's dashboard on Fangraphs I'd just go to Fangraphs.

But great input man! Hey, can you tell me if Mike Trout is any good?


Don't get your panties in a bunch. A lot of people think that Eaton had a shit year. I'm just trying to defend the midget.

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ZiPs projections are out for White Sox:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-zips-projections-chicago-white-sox/

I don't care for its projections but love the player comps.

Some notable ones from the article:
Adam Eaton - Johnny Damon
Jose Abreu - Willie Horton
Jake Peter (who?) - Martin Prado
Avi Garcia - Matt Murton (!!!!)

Chris Sale - Ron Guidry
Jose Quintana - John Candelaria
Carlos Rodon - Mark Langston


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Arlington Hts Archie wrote:
ZiPs projections are out for White Sox:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-zips-projections-chicago-white-sox/

I don't care for its projections but love the player comps.

Some notable ones from the article:
Adam Eaton - Johnny Damon
Jose Abreu - Willie Horton
Jake Peter (who?) - Martin Prado
Avi Garcia - Matt Murton (!!!!)

Chris Sale - Ron Guidry
Jose Quintana - John Candelaria
Carlos Rodon - Mark Langston


I don't care who is batting, if I have Guidry, Candelaria, and Langston I've got a World Series contender in any era.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Arlington Hts Archie wrote:
ZiPs projections are out for White Sox:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-zips-projections-chicago-white-sox/

I don't care for its projections but love the player comps.

Some notable ones from the article:
Adam Eaton - Johnny Damon
Jose Abreu - Willie Horton
Jake Peter (who?) - Martin Prado
Avi Garcia - Matt Murton (!!!!)

Chris Sale - Ron Guidry
Jose Quintana - John Candelaria
Carlos Rodon - Mark Langston


I don't care who is batting, if I have Guidry, Candelaria, and Langston I've got a World Series contender in any era.

You mean Mark ("17 Loss") Langston?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Arlington Hts Archie wrote:
ZiPs projections are out for White Sox:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-zips-projections-chicago-white-sox/

I don't care for its projections but love the player comps.

Some notable ones from the article:
Adam Eaton - Johnny Damon
Jose Abreu - Willie Horton
Jake Peter (who?) - Martin Prado
Avi Garcia - Matt Murton (!!!!)

Chris Sale - Ron Guidry
Jose Quintana - John Candelaria
Carlos Rodon - Mark Langston


I don't care who is batting, if I have Guidry, Candelaria, and Langston I've got a World Series contender in any era.

You mean Mark ("17 Loss") Langston?


:lol: No, I mean 179-158 Mark Langston.

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I'm sick of the Rick Hahn ALS society. This team still sucks. you take the worst group of position players in MLB and add Frazier and Lowrie and you still have a below average group. the easiest positions to fill in baseball are DH and corner outfield. they've done nothing to fill those gaping holes. morons.

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it's very easy to forget about both Eaton and Melky 2nd half seasons when their 1st half of the season was PATHETIC. They played well after nothing mattered and played like shit when it DID matter. Wake me when they contribute when it matters. At least LaRoche was consistently bad for the full season.

The 2016 roster looks bad and I don't think anyone that was traded away drives an improvement.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Arlington Hts Archie wrote:
ZiPs projections are out for White Sox:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-zips-projections-chicago-white-sox/

I don't care for its projections but love the player comps.

Some notable ones from the article:
Adam Eaton - Johnny Damon
Jose Abreu - Willie Horton
Jake Peter (who?) - Martin Prado
Avi Garcia - Matt Murton (!!!!)

Chris Sale - Ron Guidry
Jose Quintana - John Candelaria
Carlos Rodon - Mark Langston


I don't care who is batting, if I have Guidry, Candelaria, and Langston I've got a World Series contender in any era.

:lol: You would give Cub fans so much crap for saying anything like this.

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RFDC wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Arlington Hts Archie wrote:
ZiPs projections are out for White Sox:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-zips-projections-chicago-white-sox/

I don't care for its projections but love the player comps.

Some notable ones from the article:
Adam Eaton - Johnny Damon
Jose Abreu - Willie Horton
Jake Peter (who?) - Martin Prado
Avi Garcia - Matt Murton (!!!!)

Chris Sale - Ron Guidry
Jose Quintana - John Candelaria
Carlos Rodon - Mark Langston


I don't care who is batting, if I have Guidry, Candelaria, and Langston I've got a World Series contender in any era.

:lol: You would give Cub fans so much crap for saying anything like this.


No, I wouldn't. I'm not saying the Sox have Guidry, Langston, and Candelaria. I'm reading it. I find ZIPS absurd.

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Hatchetman wrote:
I'm sick of the Rick Hahn ALS society. This team still sucks. you take the worst group of position players in MLB and add Frazier and Lowrie and you still have a below average group. the easiest positions to fill in baseball are DH and corner outfield. they've done nothing to fill those gaping holes. morons.

I dont disagree.

This cant even be a "pitching and defense" team because, aside from the colossal defensive improvement at 3rd, this team is probably worse than last year's defensively. And the 4-5 in the rotation suck. Cant hit, cant field, a few good starting pitchers and an average bullpen with an elite closer.


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America wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
I'm sick of the Rick Hahn ALS society. This team still sucks. you take the worst group of position players in MLB and add Frazier and Lowrie and you still have a below average group. the easiest positions to fill in baseball are DH and corner outfield. they've done nothing to fill those gaping holes. morons.

I dont disagree.

This cant even be a "pitching and defense" team because, aside from the colossal defensive improvement at 3rd, this team is probably worse than last year's defensively. And the 4-5 in the rotation suck. Cant hit, cant field, a few good starting pitchers and an average bullpen with an elite closer.


I hate "Losing Pitcher" John Danks, but realistically, how many number 5 guys do you think are stronger?

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I'm sick of the Rick Hahn ALS society. This team still sucks. you take the worst group of position players in MLB and add Frazier and Lowrie and you still have a below average group. the easiest positions to fill in baseball are DH and corner outfield. they've done nothing to fill those gaping holes. morons.

I dont disagree.

This cant even be a "pitching and defense" team because, aside from the colossal defensive improvement at 3rd, this team is probably worse than last year's defensively. And the 4-5 in the rotation suck. Cant hit, cant field, a few good starting pitchers and an average bullpen with an elite closer.


I hate "Losing Pitcher" John Danks, but realistically, how many number 5 guys do you think are stronger?


Is Danks #5 ? or is Erik Johnson #5 and Danks #4.... But if Danks is #5 how about Jaime Garcia StL, Joe Ross Wash or Jason Hammel CHC all are number 5's and all are better than Danks.

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Edit- bigfan and I posted this at the exact same time

Danks isn't the 5, he's the 4. The 5 is Erik Johnson, you may remember him getting fucking demolished and having a mental breakdown. Ruh roh. I'd be fine with Danks as the 5 and Erik Johnson as a backup plan, but both of them is not good.

The Sox probably traded starters at 2nd, RF and a possible rotation arm (this year even!) for Frazier. I'm not sure they are a better team after that trade.


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THE INQUISITOR wrote:
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America wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
I'm sick of the Rick Hahn ALS society. This team still sucks. you take the worst group of position players in MLB and add Frazier and Lowrie and you still have a below average group. the easiest positions to fill in baseball are DH and corner outfield. they've done nothing to fill those gaping holes. morons.

I dont disagree.

This cant even be a "pitching and defense" team because, aside from the colossal defensive improvement at 3rd, this team is probably worse than last year's defensively. And the 4-5 in the rotation suck. Cant hit, cant field, a few good starting pitchers and an average bullpen with an elite closer.


I hate "Losing Pitcher" John Danks, but realistically, how many number 5 guys do you think are stronger?


Is Danks #5 ? or is Erik Johnson #5 and Danks #4.... But if Danks is #5 how about Jaime Garcia StL, Joe Ross Wash or Jason Hammel CHC all are number 5's and all are better than Danks.


Garcia is better if he can stay healthy. Ross doesn't even have 100 innings. And I would bet Hammel does not have as good a year as Danks.

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I would love to see what John Danks could do in the NL. He has a knack for mysteriously stringing together lots of outs without doing anything extraordinary in regards to his pitching. Its not like Buehrle either, Buehrle could locate, had that cutter and changed the pace on hitters. Danks is just an average, bad pitcher.


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