Those first few episodes where they give no indication to what the hell he's doing at his desk were a great way to develop his character.

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I don't think season 2 gets the credit it should. Lots of people say it was bad, but i thought it was solid. I really wished they would've used the Greeks more in the following seasons. You really don't see them again til the last season, I believe. I think I enjoyed season 1 and 4 the most.

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Finished up The Corner earlier today. Damn, that was some kind of gritty realism. Was reading IMDB and bummed to read that real-life DeAndre overdosed last year.

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I think HBO ran The Corner last year after DeAndre passed away. That's when I finally watched it. Amazing.

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I agree I thought that season was really entertaining and I definitely thought Nikki would come back at some point and yeah the Greeks were awesome I thought they'd be a little more involved but I'm glad they ended up coming back at all



To me it's hard to separate the seasons because the best part of the show are when the seasons past all come together



It was just a great show


The finale was pretty satisfying outside of the Marlo corner thing at the end that was ridiculous




Method Man was good. Better than I expected


Just like Breaking Bad they made you partially sympathetic to characters before they die


Best scene of the show was Stringer telling Avon he had D killed

So Michael is Omar, Duqie is Bubbs, Bunk is still Bunk (telling Kima its not her turn to give a fuck like McNulty in season one) Syndor is McNulty with the judge., and Marlo is Stringer but its to be Avon


Just awesome


If I had to complain about owned thing, Burrell was way over there top. Overacting and unrealistic

Getting a PBP from people watching the show for the first time is outstanding.

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I'll almost ureky watch it again

So detailed. Hard not to miss stuff.

Example: I didn't realize it was Johnny 50 hanging under the bridge homeless in season 5


And watching knowing all the characters might be better

It's very similar to Sopranos with the amount of characters. I've been through both series multiple times, and you always pick up new details.

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This is the only series I've seen twice all the way through. I'd still take it over Breaking Bad.

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"the wire" is one of those "all-time" shows, like "M*A*S*H", or...you know, "Silver Spoons".

seriously, it's so intricate. that's what drew me into it to begin with. the writing is unbelievable.

Been rewatching this series. There's a scene that happens near the end of Season 1 that is bugging me. It just makes no fucking sense, and I'm not sure I've ever thought about it before. After Kima gets shot, Bubbles pages her with a 911 page. She had agreed to help him get clean, and was going to start helping him the day after she was shot. So after he pages her, the big bald detective handling her shit in the evidence room tracks Bubbs down at the payphone he used. He immediately strong arms him into the car, gets him into a room, and gives him all of like 4 seconds to explain why he paged her and then he just starts beating the fucking shit out of Bubbs. Why would he do that? What connection to Kima getting shot could Bubbs possibly have? It should be clear to anyone with even an ounce of common sense that he was a CI and just trying to get ahold of her. I've thought about it more than I should have probably, and can't come up with one decent explanation for why he did that.


Anyway, great fucking show. Just started Season 2 again last night. Season 2 and 5 are just as good as the rest of the series. Don't let Dr Ken tell you guys differently.

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WTF? Seasons 2 & 5 of The Wire compared to the rest of the series are what the Packers are compared to the Bears in the NFL.

I always just figured Herc was an idiot and a jerk who overreacts.

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It wasn't Herc. Not sure what nationality the detective is but he doesn't really look white. Liked mixed or something.


I understand bashing season 5 because the detail kinda jumped the shark with Lester and Jimmy's scam, but Season 2 is definitely as good as Seasons 1, 3, and 4.

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After some googling, Detective Vernon Holley is the guy I'm thinking about.

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Was it the pock-faced guy? He was an idiot, too.

I will say S2 was much better than my memory in a rewatch. And S5 to some degree (quite naturally).

I'm rating on a curve compared to other Wire seasons. It is still my 2nd favorite show of all time. Watch them all.

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I think because she was undercover he thought Bubbs had her number from that and was part of Avon's crew that got her shot. Probably thought the CI thing was bs. But obvioulsly the idea was to show how close a junkie comes to getting clean and how quickly its lost

Season 2 is great. Might be the best of the whole series actually, its just a different cast.

5 is a little over the top.

He was also in Creed with Avon and Wallace.



Im watching Oz. Pretty good. Crazy seeing Avon Barksdale and Carmella Soprano in the same scene

I could only make it so far with Oz. I enjoyed it but the whole "prison with no rules" to facilitate the story just became to goofy.

Loved Meloni's character.

Oh indeed. David Simon has mentioned that from his experience, addicts often come up with very unlikely scenarios to get clean in which a lot of intertwining events have to fall just right, and then when just one of those doesn't happen, they see it as a justifiable excuse to relapse.

I guess you just have to chalk it up to that detective being a fucking idiot, because even that explanation doesn't make much sense, and it's about the best I could come up with also. I just think it's a very rare case of bad/lazy writing on a show with almost perfect writing.

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The worst part of S2 is easily Ziggy. I get why he's necessary as a character, to show how he could have easily reached his potential if he went to college or did something with computers, as opposed to being forced into blue collar work that he's not built physically or mentally for. It's just exhausting watching a character who is THAT obnoxious. But other than that, and I don't think it hurts the season much, I think it's easily as good as any other season.

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Im in season 2. Its good but to be honest Im getting tired of the gratuitous violence and mutalation stuff.

You can tell it was early HBO. They were transitioning from the Dream On era to the Sopranos era.

The realism is similar to The Wire

Ziggy was the rare character with no redeeming qualities. There was never a time you were with him. Even in the scenes where the viewer is supposed to pity him, I always felt an underlying "this fucking asshole deserves it"

It almost feels like they put him in after writing the main story. Nicky was really Frank's son in that season.

http://www.cjr.org/cover_story/secrets_ ... p?page=all

Just found this, and thought it was really interesting. It's basically an in-depth look at disagreements David Simon had with his former bosses at the Sun. It was written in 2008, as the final season was airing. Simon is/was pretty prescient.

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The top photo is Royce's Chief of Staff.
The bottom photo is a friend of mine who I have known for 25 years.

I laugh every time that actor comes on the screen.

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I have a higher opinion of season 5 than most but I definitely understand a lot of the criticism directed at it. One thing I always found amusing though was how so many pundits, journalists, etc. who were quick to praise the show's "realism" when it focused on police departments and schools suddenly were the ones making the most noise about how ridiculous the events of season 5 were.

Season 5 seemed rushed too I mean leave alone the fact that newspapers were dying and a better season about newspapers would have been in the 80s but take the Scott character. Every other character on the show is a multi dimensional. There were some points where you hated them and some points where you understand where they're coming from. Scott was pure 100% garbage and evil.

I think the thing McNulty and Lester do in season 5 is bad, the rest of stuff sbout newspapers rang true

The 80s wouldn't have been a better decade for the newspaper storyline. Them dying fits in with the theme of the rest of the seasons.

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Maybe in that context but on its own I'm sure Simon could have made a better story when the industry was still kinda thriving.

By 2004 it was dead. Even late 90s would be more interesting, imo