It is currently Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:47 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 245 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72560
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Seacrest wrote:
Different variables that Belichick may have thought of, but decided against.

The reality is, had he used our variables, he would be preparing for another Super Bowl today.

:lol: :lol:

This post is awesome. Seacrest doesn't know what a variable is.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:20 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:28 am
Posts: 24453
Location: Boofoo Zoo
pizza_Place: Chuck E Cheese
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
Although Belichek obviously lost the game by campaigning for xps to be moved back in the offseason


1st you didn't know the Pats did scored in the 1st quarter.Then you spell Denver and Belichick wrong...tell us more professor


Image

Dinver is a Simms joke you idiot.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:20 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 93297
Location: To the left of my post
FavreFan wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Different variables that Belichick may have thought of, but decided against.

The reality is, had he used our variables, he would be preparing for another Super Bowl today.

:lol: :lol:

This post is awesome. Seacrest doesn't know what a variable is.
So much for the math I guess.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:20 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:45 pm
Posts: 38622
Location: Lovetron
pizza_Place: Malnati's
leashyourkids wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
The reality is, had he used our variables, he would be preparing for another Super Bowl today.


I don't have strong feelings on what he should have done, but making this statement with absolute certainty is incorrect. We have no idea what would have transpired if New England would have kicked the field goal. The Broncos may have ended up winning by three scores. There's no way to tell what "would have" happened.



Actually we do know that after that play, the pats did drive into field goal range again. And also scored another touchdown.

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:21 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:45 pm
Posts: 38622
Location: Lovetron
pizza_Place: Malnati's
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Different variables that Belichick may have thought of, but decided against.

The reality is, had he used our variables, he would be preparing for another Super Bowl today.

:lol: :lol:

This post is awesome. Seacrest doesn't know what a variable is.
So much for the math I guess.



Defense is definitely a variable in a football game.

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:22 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:03 am
Posts: 214
pizza_Place: nino's
Seacrest wrote:


Different variables that Belichick may have thought of, but decided against.

The reality is, had he used our variables, he would be preparing for another Super Bowl today.

Let's not forget the context of the game gave Denver the advantage. New England's lack of success run-blocking essentially telegraphed to the whole world the play would be a pass. Add the crowd noise requiring Brady to use a snap count resulting in the o-line and d-line being on equal footing. The result was as expected.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:43 pm
Posts: 18494
Location: end of lonely street
pizza_Place: Obbies
KDdidit wrote:
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
Although Belichek obviously lost the game by campaigning for xps to be moved back in the offseason


1st you didn't know the Pats did scored in the 1st quarter.Then you spell Denver and Belichick wrong...tell us more professor


Image

Dinver is a Simms joke you idiot.

Not knowing the Pats scored a TD and spelling Belichick wrong....that was a joke too :lol:

_________________
I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:56 am
Posts: 32234
Location: A sterile, homogeneous suburb
pizza_Place: Pizza Cucina
Seacrest wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
The reality is, had he used our variables, he would be preparing for another Super Bowl today.


I don't have strong feelings on what he should have done, but making this statement with absolute certainty is incorrect. We have no idea what would have transpired if New England would have kicked the field goal. The Broncos may have ended up winning by three scores. There's no way to tell what "would have" happened.



Actually we do know that after that play, the pats did drive into field goal range again. And also scored another touchdown.


So you can say with 100% certainty that that sequence of events would have been identical if the Pats had kicked a field goal?

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
I'm a big dumb shitlib baby


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:28 am
Posts: 24453
Location: Boofoo Zoo
pizza_Place: Chuck E Cheese
Seacrest wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
The reality is, had he used our variables, he would be preparing for another Super Bowl today.


I don't have strong feelings on what he should have done, but making this statement with absolute certainty is incorrect. We have no idea what would have transpired if New England would have kicked the field goal. The Broncos may have ended up winning by three scores. There's no way to tell what "would have" happened.



Actually we do know that after that play, the pats did drive into field goal range again. And also scored another touchdown.

After Manning threw the backwards lateral for a fumble, we do know the Broncos won the game. Obviously it was the right decision by Manning to turn it over right there because it won them the game.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72560
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
leashyourkids wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
The reality is, had he used our variables, he would be preparing for another Super Bowl today.


I don't have strong feelings on what he should have done, but making this statement with absolute certainty is incorrect. We have no idea what would have transpired if New England would have kicked the field goal. The Broncos may have ended up winning by three scores. There's no way to tell what "would have" happened.



Actually we do know that after that play, the pats did drive into field goal range again. And also scored another touchdown.


So you can say with 100% certainty that that sequence of events would have been identical if the Pats had kicked a field goal?

He can say with absolute certainty what God thinks is a sin. How do you think he's going to answer this question?

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:28 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 102662
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
Did Manning throw any forward laterals?

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It's more fun to be a victim
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:28 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:45 pm
Posts: 38622
Location: Lovetron
pizza_Place: Malnati's
leashyourkids wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
The reality is, had he used our variables, he would be preparing for another Super Bowl today.


I don't have strong feelings on what he should have done, but making this statement with absolute certainty is incorrect. We have no idea what would have transpired if New England would have kicked the field goal. The Broncos may have ended up winning by three scores. There's no way to tell what "would have" happened.



Actually we do know that after that play, the pats did drive into field goal range again. And also scored another touchdown.


So you can say with 100% certainty that that sequence of events would have been identical if the Pats had kicked a field goal?


The exact sequence? Of course not. But we did see what happened though.

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:28 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 93297
Location: To the left of my post
Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Different variables that Belichick may have thought of, but decided against.

The reality is, had he used our variables, he would be preparing for another Super Bowl today.

:lol: :lol:

This post is awesome. Seacrest doesn't know what a variable is.
So much for the math I guess.



Defense is definitely a variable in a football game.
I don't know what that means.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:30 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:28 am
Posts: 24453
Location: Boofoo Zoo
pizza_Place: Chuck E Cheese
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
Walt Williams Neck wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
Although Belichek obviously lost the game by campaigning for xps to be moved back in the offseason


1st you didn't know the Pats did scored in the 1st quarter.Then you spell Denver and Belichick wrong...tell us more professor


Image

Dinver is a Simms joke you idiot.

Not knowing the Pats scored a TD and spelling Belichick wrong....that was a joke too :lol:

Walt Williams Neck wrote:
30-24 Pats


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:32 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:45 pm
Posts: 38622
Location: Lovetron
pizza_Place: Malnati's
leashyourkids wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
The reality is, had he used our variables, he would be preparing for another Super Bowl today.


I don't have strong feelings on what he should have done, but making this statement with absolute certainty is incorrect. We have no idea what would have transpired if New England would have kicked the field goal. The Broncos may have ended up winning by three scores. There's no way to tell what "would have" happened.



Actually we do know that after that play, the pats did drive into field goal range again. And also scored another touchdown.


So you can say with 100% certainty that that sequence of events would have been identical if the Pats had kicked a field goal?

FavreFan wrote:
He can say with absolute certainty what God thinks is a sin. How do you think he's going to answer this question?


:lol: :lol:

Love this little gem...
FavreFan wrote:
Both of Brady's interceptions were HORRIBLE throws that were pretty close to unforced.


:lol: :lol:

I'm not even sure that we were watching the same game.

So now you've decided that how defense is played is a variable in a football game?

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:41 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:30 am
Posts: 4113
pizza_Place: Palermo's 95th
Arlington Hts Archie wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
The decision not to take the field goal with 6 minutes left cost them another trip to the Super Bowl. Gostkowski didn't blow the game, the great Billy B. did.

So Mike McCarthy deserves little of the blame for the Packers' collapse last year but this one is all on Belichick? :lol:

McCarthy obsession is bizarre.

It's not an obsession at all. Seacrest defended McCarthy at length last year and said the Packers' loss was more the fault of Bostick and Burnett, players who screwed up on single plays (and in fact that McCarthy's strategy was the correct one). Now he wants to turn around and say the result of this game is on the coach for his decisionmaking, and not, say, the fault of the kicker who screwed up on a single play.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:44 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:45 pm
Posts: 38622
Location: Lovetron
pizza_Place: Malnati's
ZephMarshack wrote:
Arlington Hts Archie wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
The decision not to take the field goal with 6 minutes left cost them another trip to the Super Bowl. Gostkowski didn't blow the game, the great Billy B. did.

So Mike McCarthy deserves little of the blame for the Packers' collapse last year but this one is all on Belichick? :lol:

McCarthy obsession is bizarre.

It's not an obsession at all. Seacrest defended McCarthy at length last year and said the Packers' loss was more the fault of Bostick and Burnett, players who screwed up on single plays (and in fact that McCarthy's strategy was the correct one). Now he wants to turn around and say the result of this game is on the coach for his decisionmaking, and not, say, the fault of the kicker who screwed up on a single play.


Big difference in the scenarios.

Belichick was OUTCOACHED yesterday long before he made that bad decision.

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:46 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:30 am
Posts: 4113
pizza_Place: Palermo's 95th
Seacrest wrote:
Big difference in the scenarios.

Belichick was OUTCOACHED yesterday long before he made that bad decision.

Okay great. You apparently didn't mention the other stuff for the last few pages as you argued that it was those decisions specifically which cost New England the game.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
The percentages either favor going for it or kicking. It's not a debate.

Someone post the truth.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:49 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:45 pm
Posts: 38622
Location: Lovetron
pizza_Place: Malnati's
ZephMarshack wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Big difference in the scenarios.

Belichick was OUTCOACHED yesterday long before he made that bad decision.

Okay great. You apparently didn't mention the other stuff for the last few pages as you argued that it was those decisions specifically which cost New England the game.



After Bellichick being out coached all day, Brady still dragged his shitty game plan to the doorstep of winning only to be rebuffed by the sweatshirted wonder.

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:43 pm
Posts: 18494
Location: end of lonely street
pizza_Place: Obbies
rogers park bryan wrote:
The percentages either favor going for it or kicking. It's not a debate.

Someone post the truth.


Stephen Gostkowski FG 2-2 New England 4th down conversions 2-4 ...I rest my case

_________________
I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:00 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:30 am
Posts: 4113
pizza_Place: Palermo's 95th
rogers park bryan wrote:
The percentages either favor going for it or kicking. It's not a debate.

Someone post the truth.

http://nyt4thdownbot.com/play/201601240071213


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
ZephMarshack wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The percentages either favor going for it or kicking. It's not a debate.

Someone post the truth.

http://nyt4thdownbot.com/play/201601240071213

Seems pretty clear cut. By the numbers, going for it was the right call.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72560
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
ZephMarshack wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The percentages either favor going for it or kicking. It's not a debate.

Someone post the truth.

http://nyt4thdownbot.com/play/201601240071213

Zeph and I win.

Some more context, just to show the simplistic thinking of Walt and Seacrest:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/audibl ... mpionships

Quote:
Aaron Schatz: I also want to dispute the idea that the Patriots would have just won the game if they had kicked field goals each of the first two times they got into the red zone, and then on that last drive, rather than continually having to go for it on fourth down. That assumes two things. First, it assumes all three field goals would have been good. Even if we say, OK, those are all field goals in the mid-30s, that's about 90 percent chance for each -- that means there's a 27 percent chance one of them misses. There's also the issue of the field position after each field goal. Instead of Denver getting the ball on the 16 and then the 14, they would have received a kickoff, which likely means either the 20 or, if they are able to return the ball, past the 20. That in turn changes field position for the Patriots the next time they get the ball back, making those drives longer. And the kickoffs would have taken an additional 10 to 15 seconds off the clock, leaving less time for the Patriots on the last drive and possibly changing the meaning of the two-minute warning and what Denver would have done on its last offensive drive.


Andrew Potter: Yes, it's football's own Chaos Theory. You can't assume the rest of the game would have played out the same if you changed even one of those fourth downs for a field goal.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:10 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:03 am
Posts: 214
pizza_Place: nino's
I agree with going for it on 4th & 6.

The 4th and 1 was the wrong decision.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:14 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:43 pm
Posts: 18494
Location: end of lonely street
pizza_Place: Obbies
The decision was right ...the played call was genius. I see your point

_________________
I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:14 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:45 pm
Posts: 38622
Location: Lovetron
pizza_Place: Malnati's
rogers park bryan wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The percentages either favor going for it or kicking. It's not a debate.

Someone post the truth.

http://nyt4thdownbot.com/play/201601240071213

Seems pretty clear cut. By the numbers, going for it was the right call.


This is pretty clear cut.

Had he kicked the field goal, he would be game prepping for the Super Bowl.

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:28 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81625
Seacrest wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
ZephMarshack wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The percentages either favor going for it or kicking. It's not a debate.

Someone post the truth.

http://nyt4thdownbot.com/play/201601240071213

Seems pretty clear cut. By the numbers, going for it was the right call.


This is pretty clear cut.

Had he kicked the field goal, he would be game prepping for the Super Bowl.

Do you deny that going for it on 4th was the higher percentage choice by the numbers?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:32 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:45 pm
Posts: 38622
Location: Lovetron
pizza_Place: Malnati's
It is definitely a higher percentage choice if you wanted a first down.

It was not a higher percentage choice if you wanted to win the game though. That's my point.

_________________
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72560
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Seacrest wrote:
It was not a higher percentage choice if you wanted to win the game though. That's my point.

You're just wrong on this. The NYT link includes win probability as well. Should probably just move on.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 245 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group