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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:10 pm 
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Of course not. The hype is because they have assembled a team that should be a legitimate contender to win it all. They have a team that should be in a position to truly contend for a title. The best part is, it's built for the long haul. Not just to win with aging veterans (though they have added guys like Zobrist and Lackey to try to put them over the top now) but with players who will be part of the core for many years to come.
So you now say that simply making the playoffs would not meet the hype.

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A pitcher like Hershiser gets on a roll and can't be scored on, much less beat, or a 83-79 Cardinals team gets hot at the right time and has 2 pitchers that are on an unbelievable roll....



Isn't that how a slightly better than mediocre third place Cub team made the NLCS last year?

From the Book of JORR verse 4:20

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Of course not. The hype is because they have assembled a team that should be a legitimate contender to win it all. They have a team that should be in a position to truly contend for a title. The best part is, it's built for the long haul. Not just to win with aging veterans (though they have added guys like Zobrist and Lackey to try to put them over the top now) but with players who will be part of the core for many years to come.
So you now say that simply making the playoffs would not meet the hype.


The Cubs as currently constructed, should contend for the title in 2016. They should be even better in years to come, as guys like Torrez, Almora, Martinez and Contreras among others, make their way to the majors. But while they may have a team built to truly contend for the next 5 years, to expect them to win the World Series the next 5 seasons is ridiculous. I do expect a title in the next 3 years and hope for more than one. But whether it happens in 2016 (injuries, luck, etc) is impossible to know. But I do know they are built to contend and should be a hell of a lot of fun to watch in 2016. I'm just going to enjoy the ride. Unlike many, I look back at 2003 as a great season. Sure, it ended in disappointing fashion, but it was one hell of a year. This team is younger, better and deeper and should be even more fun.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
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Of course not. The hype is because they have assembled a team that should be a legitimate contender to win it all. They have a team that should be in a position to truly contend for a title. The best part is, it's built for the long haul. Not just to win with aging veterans (though they have added guys like Zobrist and Lackey to try to put them over the top now) but with players who will be part of the core for many years to come.
So you now say that simply making the playoffs would not meet the hype.


The Cubs as currently constructed, should contend for the title in 2016. They should be even better in years to come, as guys like Torrez, Almora, Martinez and Contreras among others, make their way to the majors. But while they may have a team built to truly contend for the next 5 years, to expect them to win the World Series the next 5 seasons is ridiculous. I do expect a title in the next 3 years and hope for more than one. But whether it happens in 2016 (injuries, luck, etc) is impossible to know. But I do know they are built to contend and should be a hell of a lot of fun to watch in 2016. I'm just going to enjoy the ride. Unlike many, I look back at 2003 as a great season. Sure, it ended in disappointing fashion, but it was one hell of a year. This team is younger, better and deeper and should be even more fun.
You are all over the place.

Please describe the results required this year for the Cubs to meet the "CUB HYPE".

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I'd say 1 WS win minimum over the next 4 years.

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more fun.
You are all over the place.

Please describe the results required this year for the Cubs to meet the "CUB HYPE".[/quote]
You are pretty far into Cub business



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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
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Of course not. The hype is because they have assembled a team that should be a legitimate contender to win it all. They have a team that should be in a position to truly contend for a title. The best part is, it's built for the long haul. Not just to win with aging veterans (though they have added guys like Zobrist and Lackey to try to put them over the top now) but with players who will be part of the core for many years to come.
So you now say that simply making the playoffs would not meet the hype.


The Cubs as currently constructed, should contend for the title in 2016. They should be even better in years to come, as guys like Torrez, Almora, Martinez and Contreras among others, make their way to the majors. But while they may have a team built to truly contend for the next 5 years, to expect them to win the World Series the next 5 seasons is ridiculous. I do expect a title in the next 3 years and hope for more than one. But whether it happens in 2016 (injuries, luck, etc) is impossible to know. But I do know they are built to contend and should be a hell of a lot of fun to watch in 2016. I'm just going to enjoy the ride. Unlike many, I look back at 2003 as a great season. Sure, it ended in disappointing fashion, but it was one hell of a year. This team is younger, better and deeper and should be even more fun.
You are all over the place.

Please describe the results required this year for the Cubs to meet the "CUB HYPE".


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
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Of course not. The hype is because they have assembled a team that should be a legitimate contender to win it all. They have a team that should be in a position to truly contend for a title. The best part is, it's built for the long haul. Not just to win with aging veterans (though they have added guys like Zobrist and Lackey to try to put them over the top now) but with players who will be part of the core for many years to come.
So you now say that simply making the playoffs would not meet the hype.


The Cubs as currently constructed, should contend for the title in 2016. They should be even better in years to come, as guys like Torrez, Almora, Martinez and Contreras among others, make their way to the majors. But while they may have a team built to truly contend for the next 5 years, to expect them to win the World Series the next 5 seasons is ridiculous. I do expect a title in the next 3 years and hope for more than one. But whether it happens in 2016 (injuries, luck, etc) is impossible to know. But I do know they are built to contend and should be a hell of a lot of fun to watch in 2016. I'm just going to enjoy the ride. Unlike many, I look back at 2003 as a great season. Sure, it ended in disappointing fashion, but it was one hell of a year. This team is younger, better and deeper and should be even more fun.
You are all over the place.

Please describe the results required this year for the Cubs to meet the "CUB HYPE".


If the young players continue their development and improve (which I expect, particularly Bryant and Russell) and they win their division, they will have put themselves in the position I expect of them this season, based on the current construction of the teams. How things go in the playoffs, is often unpredictable, so I'll just leave that out of my own equation. Make no mistake, I would be disappointed should they lose in the playoffs, but heartened in the knowledge that they are a team built to win for many seasons to come, rather than some patchwork squad, trying to piece together a contender for a single season.

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Sophmore jinx....What about that,huh?

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Baseball is unpredictable! The Cubs haven't won anything!

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Cub fans are so stupid! They should demand nothing short of a World Series victory!

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Baseball is unpredictable! The Cubs haven't won anything!

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Cub fans are so stupid! They should demand nothing short of a World Series victory!

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
A pitcher like Hershiser gets on a roll and can't be scored on, much less beat, or a 83-79 Cardinals team gets hot at the right time and has 2 pitchers that are on an unbelievable roll....



Isn't that how a slightly better than mediocre third place Cub team made the NLCS last year?

From the Book of JORR verse 4:20

.599 Winning percentage is "slightly better than mediocre"


It's good, but I think you have to consider that they beat up on a lot of bad teams. They were .500 vs. the AL and finished behind two teams in their own division. The 97 wins may not be as great as it seems.

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Baseball is unpredictable! The Cubs haven't won anything!

5 minutes later...

Cub fans are so stupid! They should demand nothing short of a World Series victory!
I apologize for wanting to know what the actual expectations of a team that everyone is talking about how great they are is.

Then again, you are the guy that says that the GM that makes the one game playoff and loses did just as good of a job as the World Series winner, so I get it.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
A pitcher like Hershiser gets on a roll and can't be scored on, much less beat, or a 83-79 Cardinals team gets hot at the right time and has 2 pitchers that are on an unbelievable roll....



Isn't that how a slightly better than mediocre third place Cub team made the NLCS last year?

From the Book of JORR verse 4:20

.599 Winning percentage is "slightly better than mediocre"


It's good, but I think you have to consider that they beat up on a lot of bad teams. They were .500 vs. the AL and finished behind two teams in their own division. The 97 wins may not be as great as it seems.

They also played the two winningest teams in baseball for a combined 35+ games. That offsets the bottom of the division.


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Sophmore jinx....What about that, huh?



Jimmy, are you going to go back to being a glass is half empty guy?

I'll bet you that Bryant and Russell both exceed their HR and RBI totals from last year and Bryant was 26, 99 last season. Forget all that jinx crap, these are just really good players. Schwarber is a guy who has never struck me as someone that ever finds a moment too big for him. As the spotlight gets brighter, he performs better. Look what he did VS the Reds (his hometown team) He just killed them and then in the playoffs, he was really outstanding (.333 5 HR). The team added Heyward, brought back Fowler, got Zobrist and Lackey, as well as trading for Warren. The glass is FULL.

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I really don't think the kinds of people that wear these kinds of shirts understand the degree to which they contribute to the belief that Chicagoans are thick headed mouth breathers.

Every town / team has shirts like this. Stop being a curmudgeon.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
A pitcher like Hershiser gets on a roll and can't be scored on, much less beat, or a 83-79 Cardinals team gets hot at the right time and has 2 pitchers that are on an unbelievable roll....



Isn't that how a slightly better than mediocre third place Cub team made the NLCS last year?

From the Book of JORR verse 4:20

.599 Winning percentage is "slightly better than mediocre"


It's good, but I think you have to consider that they beat up on a lot of bad teams. They were .500 vs. the AL and finished behind two teams in their own division. The 97 wins may not be as great as it seems.


The fact that the division boasted the top 3 teams only speaks to the fact the Cubs played in the toughest division in Baseball in 2015. Beating up on bad teams is what good teams are supposed to do. The Bulls this season have beaten the Spurs and Cavaliers, yet lose to lousy teams. The Sox had a lousy record VS losing teams last year as well, that's not what contenders do. Contenders beat the teams they should beat more often than not. Beating good teams is great and the Cubs did that a lot last year too (7-0 VS the Mets in the regular season for example) but if you give back those wins by losing to the Reds and Brewers, it doesn't mean much. Now with an improved team, the hope is the winning will continue even further into the playoffs this season.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Baseball is unpredictable! The Cubs haven't won anything!

5 minutes later...

Cub fans are so stupid! They should demand nothing short of a World Series victory!
I apologize for wanting to know what the actual expectations of a team that everyone is talking about how great they are is.

Then again, you are the guy that says that the GM that makes the one game playoff and loses did just as good of a job as the World Series winner, so I get it.


What is your unbiased prediction for the Cubs ?

You always ask everyone but never step up to the plate.....

How many wins?
Do they make the playoffs?
Win their division?
Win the NLDS?
Win the NLCS?
Win the WS?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Baseball is unpredictable! The Cubs haven't won anything!

5 minutes later...

Cub fans are so stupid! They should demand nothing short of a World Series victory!
I apologize for wanting to know what the actual expectations of a team that everyone is talking about how great they are is.

Then again, you are the guy that says that the GM that makes the one game playoff and loses did just as good of a job as the World Series winner, so I get it.


A black and white world it is, for Boilermaker Rick.

You are also the guy who tried to "do your thing" (that you're doing here) and pin me down last year by getting me to tell you no less than 15 times that the Cubs were better than the Cardinals toward the end of the year. After condescendingly saying "OK, I'll remember this", you never apologized when the Cubs beat the hell out of the Cardinals in the playoffs. I'm still waiting.

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What is your unbiased prediction for the Cubs ?
Lose in the NLCS. About 90 wins.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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What is your unbiased prediction for the Cubs ?
Lose in the NLCS. About 90 wins.

That is a fair prediction.

It is a lot easier to predict a Final Four participant than a champion.

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You are also the guy who tried to "do your thing" (that you're doing here) and pin me down last year by getting me to tell you no less than 15 times that the Cubs were better than the Cardinals toward the end of the year. After condescendingly saying "OK, I'll remember this", you never apologized when the Cubs beat the hell out of the Cardinals in the playoffs. I'm still waiting.
Bump thread please.

Because I'm preeeetty sure it was best team in the NL or maybe even MLB.

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You are also the guy who tried to "do your thing" (that you're doing here) and pin me down last year by getting me to tell you no less than 15 times that the Cubs were better than the Cardinals toward the end of the year. After condescendingly saying "OK, I'll remember this", you never apologized when the Cubs beat the hell out of the Cardinals in the playoffs. I'm still waiting.
Bump thread please.

Because I'm preeeetty sure it was best team in the NL or maybe even MLB.


I was banned, so it was in the clan chat. Lucky you.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
A pitcher like Hershiser gets on a roll and can't be scored on, much less beat, or a 83-79 Cardinals team gets hot at the right time and has 2 pitchers that are on an unbelievable roll....



Isn't that how a slightly better than mediocre third place Cub team made the NLCS last year?

From the Book of JORR verse 4:20

.599 Winning percentage is "slightly better than mediocre"


It's good, but I think you have to consider that they beat up on a lot of bad teams. They were .500 vs. the AL and finished behind two teams in their own division. The 97 wins may not be as great as it seems.


The Cubs went 38-27 vs other teams with winning records in the NL.

This is how they all performed against one another:

1. Cardinals 36-25 (.590)
2. Cubs 38-27 (.585)
3. Pirates 37-27 (.580)
4. Giants 23-29
5. Dodgers 22-30
6. Nationals 22-30
7. Mets 21-31

So all this bullshit about how they made their living beating up on weak teams doesn't really hold up, because they damn near led the NL in winning percentage against teams above .500.

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You are also the guy who tried to "do your thing" (that you're doing here) and pin me down last year by getting me to tell you no less than 15 times that the Cubs were better than the Cardinals toward the end of the year. After condescendingly saying "OK, I'll remember this", you never apologized when the Cubs beat the hell out of the Cardinals in the playoffs. I'm still waiting.
Bump thread please.

Because I'm preeeetty sure it was best team in the NL or maybe even MLB.


I was banned, so it was in the clan chat. Lucky you.
So it probably was that the Cubs were the best in the NL, which means I should apologize for you about the Cardinals, and you should apologize to me about the Mets.

So, sorry!

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What is your unbiased prediction for the Cubs ?
Lose in the NLCS. About 90 wins.


Solid ... I think 88-90 advance to WS and lose

Thanks

How about the Sox... they are a little harder for me... I can see 86 wins as easily as 76 ... I think they miss the playoffs regardless

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The Cubs went 38-27 vs other teams with winning records in the NL.

This is how they all performed against one another:

1. Cardinals 36-25 (.590)
2. Cubs 38-27 (.585)
3. Pirates 37-27 (.580)
4. Giants 23-29
5. Dodgers 22-30
6. Nationals 22-30
7. Mets 21-31

So all this bullshit about how they made their living beating up on weak teams doesn't really hold up, because they damn near led the NL in winning percentage against teams above .500.

That is a good post by you. Nice Job.

Was getting all ready for you to just call JORR a dumb fuck or something. Well done.


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27-11 against Cincinnati and Milwaukee. Two of the 4 worst teams in the league.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
whiskey dick wrote:

The Cubs went 38-27 vs other teams with winning records in the NL.

This is how they all performed against one another:

1. Cardinals 36-25 (.590)
2. Cubs 38-27 (.585)
3. Pirates 37-27 (.580)
4. Giants 23-29
5. Dodgers 22-30
6. Nationals 22-30
7. Mets 21-31

So all this bullshit about how they made their living beating up on weak teams doesn't really hold up, because they damn near led the NL in winning percentage against teams above .500.

That is a good post by you. Nice Job.

Was getting all ready for you to just call JORR a dumb fuck or something. Well done.


EDIT: Never mind, I thought you were Scooter. Is that the same dog?



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