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How could anyone possibly know how many rapes (or crimes of any kind) are unreported if they're unreported?

Anyway, here are a couple interesting articles on the subject:

http://www.aei.org/publication/before-d ... y-not/#mbl

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2 ... /16007089/

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Baffoe acts like these types of questionable (at best) accusations are far more rare than they actually are.

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/show ... tback.html

But I don't believe that in most cases the women are really lying. I think the issue is that the very definition of "rape" is in flux. Especially on the American college campus. Thirty years ago if a woman went home with a guy and woke up the next morning thinking, "Man, I would have never fucked that dude had I been sober!", she chalked it up as a mistake she made, life experience. If that same scenario occurs today, there's a fair chance she might call it rape. Hell, I don't know. Maybe it is. But I'll say again, I think such a standard is a societal choice to treat a woman as a child. I'm just glad I don't have to deal with those sexual politics.

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The “wait for all the facts before declaring a verdict” is a legal protection that on paper is afforded to all. Asking for the same standards in the court of public opinion serves only to get people to stop talking about something that makes you uncomfortable (or threatens a power structure or hero worship).


Good Lord.

Not even bothering to disguise it any longer. Seems to be a credo.

By the way, these writers sure like taking the long way around the barn. Do they get paid by the syllable?


:lol: What. The. Fuck.

Do they realize what a slippery-slope that is? Nevermind, that's rhetorical.


It's beyond a slippery slope. That statement is over the cliff.

An underlying principal of our legal system is to let 10 guilty walk free to avoid 1 innocent being jailed (I know this may not be true in practice). Bafoe proudly advocates the exact opposite.

However, we should not be surprised. The post Rolling Stone response detailed that there are certain people who are very comfortable throwing the innocent into the fire in order to achieve something they consider a greater good

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The post Rolling Stone response detailed that there are certain people who are very comfortable throwing the innocent into the fire in order to achieve something they consider a greater good


There's no doubt about that. Even in light of the fact that the Rolling Stone article was an outright fabrication- not some misunderstanding or quibbling over details- you can still find assholes using an #IbelieveJackie hashtag. It seems the truth doesn't matter if that truth fails to support one's agenda.

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The post Rolling Stone response detailed that there are certain people who are very comfortable throwing the innocent into the fire in order to achieve something they consider a greater good


What you're discussing here is actually a popular school of feminist thought. This stuff just didn't come out of nowhere. I'm not even sure if it's fringe thought at this point. It appears to be pretty mainstream in modern American academia. Accusers are seen as a collective and a core principle of such "feminism" is that accusers must be believed.

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An underlying principal of our legal system is to let 10 guilty walk free to avoid 1 innocent being jailed


I use this "phrase" often when arguing about the death penalty or right to a fair trial. I don't think many are aware of this philosophy or what the statement itself represents... but it's probably hard to think about this when listening to people like Nancy Grace or Julie DiCaro.

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Baffoe acts like these types of questionable (at best) accusations are far more rare than they actually are.

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/show ... tback.html

But I don't believe that in most cases the women are really lying. I think the issue is that the very definition of "rape" is in flux. Especially on the American college campus. Thirty years ago if a woman went home with a guy and woke up the next morning thinking, "Man, I would have never fucked that dude had I been sober!", she chalked it up as a mistake she made, life experience. If that same scenario occurs today, there's a fair chance she might call it rape. Hell, I don't know. Maybe it is. But I'll say again, I think such a standard is a societal choice to treat a woman as a child. I'm just glad I don't have to deal with those sexual politics.


It seems that describes Julie's story of her rape.


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@TimBaffoe I come away from this article with the impression you'd rather somebody was raped because it would better fit your narrative


Exactly!

You could Tweet that at the people who still say "We really don't know what happened with Patrick Kane..."


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@TimBaffoe I come away from this article with the impression you'd rather somebody was raped because it would better fit your narrative


Exactly!

You could Tweet that at the people who still say "We really don't know what happened with Patrick Kane..."


Well, we really don't. But that's a two way street. We never really know what happened when only two people were present. The popular viewpoint is that believing a woman should be the default. Maybe that's true. But the idea that a man who appears innocent based upon overwhelming evidence should be sacrificed in the name of feminism is immoral and frankly, should be abhorrent to any human being.

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Baffoe has a conversation with...well, pretty likely himself:

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After watching Fantastic Lies, I wrote about the worst prevailing aspect of the Duke lacrosse case. http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/03/14/ ... osse-case/

Ramblin Grimace ‏@RamblinGrimace Mar 14
@TimBaffoe Seriously, this was really great. I wish the right people would read it, but I won't hold my breath.

Frankie Presto ‏@TimBaffoe Mar 14
@RamblinGrimace like those people who think I run your account?

Ramblin Grimace ‏@RamblinGrimace Mar 14
@TimBaffoe The Kane face on Jesus is definitely among those I had in mind. Also the guy trying to protect us all from the media.


That's a pretty intuitive understanding of a nebulous reference made by someone you've only conversed with on Twitter.


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Its message is that the world owes an apology to these resilient young athletes and their families — the real victims.
That, unfortunately, is an irksome underlying stance for the objective lens of any documentary to adopt.


Does he really believe the wrongly accused aren't owed an apology by someone?

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Tim Baffoe wrote:
The documentary mostly ignores that this was a wholly atypical situation.


Not quite as atypical as he'd like you to believe:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/14/here- ... ape-story/

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Does he really believe the wrongly accused aren't owed an apology by someone?


They should receive apologies in private while being condemned in public. It's about optics.

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Does he really believe the wrongly accused aren't owed an apology by someone?


They should receive apologies in private while being condemned in public. It's about optics.


You know, I can accept the potential morality in a philosophy that favors society as a whole over particular individuals. And maybe the concept that rape survivors (or accusers, if you prefer) should simply be believed as a collective, as has been suggested by Jessica Valenti and some others, due to the greater good attained via the recognition of the prevalence of sexual assault is a good approach for our society. I have yet to be convinced of that, but I am at least open to the concept.

There are a couple obvious problems with such a philosophy. The first and most important being that it's very easy to sacrifice Patrick Kane or Dez Wells on the altar of modern feminism, but I don't think any of the "feminists" promoting such an idea would feel the same if the man in question were their father or brother.

Second, it seems that in the eyes of the modern feminist the "greater good of society" approach is only applicable to this single issue. When we discuss abortion and its effects on society, suddenly it becomes very personal and the rights of the individual must trump all.

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I don't think any of the "feminists" promoting such an idea would feel the same if the man in question were their father or brother.

Depends on the flavor of their daddy issues.

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So some person probably wanting attention created a fake account for Kane's accuser... Tim Baffoe then RT's it tell people to report it... Not a bad intent, but of course this just lets her name be known to all of his Twitter followers and anyone who RT's his post... Wow should have thought that out... :lol:

That is almost as bad as the lawyer not blacking out her name to begin with.


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I would be livid if that guy was teaching one of my kids. The subject doesn't matter, I don't think he knows anything.


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I would be livid if that guy was teaching one of my kids. The subject doesn't matter, I don't think he knows anything.

Doesn't he teach at an all-boys school? He's emboldening the patriarchy.

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I didnt read the whole article. I will say that I understand being annoyed when people use an outlier to argue against the norm.


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Baffoe acts like these types of questionable (at best) accusations are far more rare than they actually are.

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/show ... tback.html

But I don't believe that in most cases the women are really lying. I think the issue is that the very definition of "rape" is in flux. Especially on the American college campus. Thirty years ago if a woman went home with a guy and woke up the next morning thinking, "Man, I would have never fucked that dude had I been sober!", she chalked it up as a mistake she made, life experience. If that same scenario occurs today, there's a fair chance she might call it rape. Hell, I don't know. Maybe it is. But I'll say again, I think such a standard is a societal choice to treat a woman as a child. I'm just glad I don't have to deal with those sexual politics.


It seems that describes Julie's story of her rape.

Psh, imagine how the rapist felt.

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I didnt read the whole article. I will say that I understand being annoyed when people use an outlier to argue against the norm.


The problem is, it's not the outlier he's claiming it is. He's accepting the third wave feminist party line that only 2% of claims are false with zero evidence to support such a claim.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
I didnt read the whole article. I will say that I understand being annoyed when people use an outlier to argue against the norm.


The problem is, it's not the outlier he's claiming it is. He's accepting the third wave feminist party line that only 2% of claims are false with zero evidence to support such a claim.

I thought he was talking about the rarity of rich white people getting fucked by the court system.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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I didnt read the whole article. I will say that I understand being annoyed when people use an outlier to argue against the norm.


The problem is, it's not the outlier he's claiming it is. He's accepting the third wave feminist party line that only 2% of claims are false with zero evidence to support such a claim.

I thought he was talking about the rarity of rich white people getting fucked by the court system.


That's an underlying theme as well, but he seems to be starting from the premise that 2% of rape accusations are false (this is a number accepted as fact in modern feminist thought and you will be shouted down for daring to question it) and the the philosophy that the 2% are collateral damage in the war against rape culture.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I didnt read the whole article. I will say that I understand being annoyed when people use an outlier to argue against the norm.


The problem is, it's not the outlier he's claiming it is. He's accepting the third wave feminist party line that only 2% of claims are false with zero evidence to support such a claim.

I thought he was talking about the rarity of rich white people getting fucked by the court system.


That's an underlying theme as well, but he seems to be starting from the premise that 2% of rape accusations are false (this is a number accepted as fact in modern feminist thought and you will be shouted down for daring to question it) and the the philosophy that the 2% are collateral damage in the war against rape culture.

Yea, that's pretty crazy.


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