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You know home-schooled kids do better on standardized tests. Critics say the kids don't get SOCIALIZED whatever the hell that means. Looks like this kid has gotten plenty of socialization. :lol:
Those studies are normally comparing home schoolers who are affluent enough to have a non-working parent and pay for resources that would otherwise be provided by the schools vs. the average population.


I don't care enough to check but sound exactly like Laroche

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Aside from all that, it's cruel and unusual. No kid wants to spend all day with their parent, nor should any parent want to spend 24 hours a day with their child.

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What about missing school to be with the team?


School is 90% a waste of time. He'll be fine.



I saw a piece on 60 Minutes once about kids who weren't schooled. They weren't home schooled. The parents just allowed them to learn whatever they wanted. I swear these fuckers got perfect ACT scores.

I asked my wife how she would feel if Drake LaRoche scored a perfect ACT. She said, "Flabbergasted." :lol:

Those kids spent 11 years figuring out how to cheat on the ACT


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I don't care enough to check but sound exactly like Laroche
The problem is that LaRoche didn't seem to be home schooling him very well if he was spending every moment of time that his father was at work with him.

There is no defending having your teenage kid with you 100% of the time at work.

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There is no defending having your teenage kid with you 100% of the time at work.


I guess all those millions of kids that grew up over tens of thousands of years before school was invented had REALLY BAD DADS.

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There is no defending having your teenage kid with you 100% of the time at work.


I guess all those millions of kids that grew up over tens of thousands of years before school was invented had REALLY BAD DADS.
Did you just cite cavemen fathers? :lol:

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There is no defending having your teenage kid with you 100% of the time at work.


I guess all those millions of kids that grew up over tens of thousands of years before school was invented had REALLY BAD DADS.


You can try to make that argument all you want, but in a practical sense, if someone brought their kid to work all the time, it would be awful.

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You can try to make that argument all you want, but in a practical sense, if someone brought their kid to work all the time, it would be awful.


Of course, which is why I said it should have never been allowed in the first place! (maybe said it 4-5 times now).

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Do not believe for 1 sec Adam LaRoche is in wrong. After doing my homework I promise you Sox said Drake could ALWAYS be around.


of course he is in the wrong

An adult is supposed to be able to restrain himself from doing things even if he can.



I think what Kap is suggesting is that LaRoche addressed the subject of his kid being with the team before signing with the Sox and they assured him it was no problem. I can see him being told, "The Sox are a family organization."

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You can try to make that argument all you want, but in a practical sense, if someone brought their kid to work all the time, it would be awful.


Of course, which is why I said it should have never been allowed in the first place! (maybe said it 4-5 times now).


I still don't understand why you're arguing it should have been allowed.

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Do not believe for 1 sec Adam LaRoche is in wrong. After doing my homework I promise you Sox said Drake could ALWAYS be around.


of course he is in the wrong

An adult is supposed to be able to restrain himself from doing things even if he can.



I think what Kap is suggesting is that LaRoche addressed the subject of his kid being with the team before signing with the Sox and they assured him it was no problem. I can see him being told, "The Sox are a family organization."


That's like when companies say they want to hire people who challenge the status quo... until they remember what those people typically act like.

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I think what Kap is suggesting is that LaRoche addressed the subject of his kid being with the team before signing with the Sox and they assured him it was no problem. I can see him being told, "The Sox are a family organization."
I think it changed when it became clear that LaRoche didn't care about baseball any more and was just collecting a check hanging out with his kid.

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Never should have been allowed in the first place, Laroche wasn't a highly sought FA..I'm sure that kid asked every day to go see their side by side lockers after the Sox made Drake the 26th man.

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 Post subject: Re: Adam LaRoche
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Levine: History Told Adam LaRoche To Bring His Son To Work
March 16, 2016 6:55 PM By Bruce Levine
Filed Under: Adam LaRoche, Bruce Levine, Chicago White Sox
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GLENDALE, Ariz. (CBS) — The suggestion that designated hitter/first baseman Adam LaRoche has retired because of a conversation he had with White Sox executive vice president Kenny Williams about his son not coming in the clubhouse every day is hard for most to digest.

Late last week, Williams asked LaRoche to scale back the time that his 14-year-old son, Drake, spent in the clubhouse and at the ballpark. The suggestion apparently set the wheels in motion for the 36-year-old LaRoche to announce his retirement. On Tuesday, LaRoche talked to his White Sox teammates and told them he was walking away from the game. The conversation with Williams was based on the premise that Drake was around too often for the liking of the baseball department.

Williams made it clear to reporters Wednesday that he likes and respects Drake LaRoche, stating that this decision was for the whole of team and its focus and in no way taking anything away from Drake. The bone of contention for LaRoche appears to be predicated on an agreement that he could bring his son to the park when he wanted to. This verbal agreement was made by a gesture from this normally family-friendly franchise.

This subject has even more meaning to LaRoche, because he and his brother Andy were both allowed to be in the White Sox clubhouse from 1989-’91. They were both pre-teens when their dad, Dave, a former MLB pitcher himself, was on manger Jeff Torborg’s coaching staff. Torborg managed the team through those years. The irony was that while LaRoche was running around at old Comiskey Park with his dad and brother, Williams and current manager Robin Ventura were teammates on those 1990-’91 clubs.

Family and religion are king in the LaRoche household. He was looked upon by current and former teammates as a stand-up guy and leader. After going through an awful 2015 season, there was question as to what he had left in the tank. He looked awful in hitting .207 with 12 home runs and 44 RBIs in 127 games last season. The White Sox spent the offseason adding more RBI punch after last year’s team had the 28th-ranked run production out of the 30 teams.

After stepping away from this team and $13 million, LaRoche will be second guessed by many. What you don’t know is that principle and a handshake mean more to LaRoche than money or baseball. Some players will feel LaRoche let them down.

The White Sox and Williams did nothing wrong in asking LaRoche to cut back on his son’s appearances at the ballpark. The same can be said for LaRoche. He decided being with his family full time was where he belonged now.


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This is turning into one of the dumbest news stories ever.

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Baseball season is basically during the summer when most kids aren't in school any damn way.


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So sox players were going to boycott yesterday's game and sounds like they don't want management (KW) to be in the clubhouse? :lol:

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Baseball season is basically during the summer when most kids aren't in school any damn way.


Dude, he reported with pitchers and catchers. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Adam LaRoche
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This story is getting better :lol: :lol: :lol:

ESPN.com news services

Chicago White Sox players considered not playing in Wednesday's spring training game in support of former teammate Adam LaRoche, sources told ESPN's Karl Ravech.

LaRoche abruptly retired Tuesday after team president Ken Williams told the slugger that he had to limit the time his 14-year-old son, Drake, spent with the team.

Sources told Ravech that White Sox manager Robin Ventura intervened and persuaded the players, who were united in support of LaRoche, to play the game against the Milwaukee Brewers.

There likely will be a meeting in the coming days among owner Jerry Reinsdorf, executive vice president Ken Williams and general manager Rick Hahn to go over ground rules for clubhouse access for those in upper management. Sources said there is a division between those in the front office, and Ventura and his players regarding clubhouse access.

LaRoche, 36, walked away from a contract that would have paid him $13 million this season.
Adam LaRoche elected to retire when White Sox president Ken Williams asked LaRoche to "dial back" the amount of time his 14-year-old son, Drake, spent with the club. AP Photo/John Locher

When the reason for LaRoche's retirement became public Wednesday, Williams addressed the issue with reporters and said that kids are still permitted in the White Sox's clubhouse, but they shouldn't be there every day, saying no job would allow that.

"Sometimes you have to make decisions in this world that are unpopular," he said.

The White Sox have always encouraged players to bring their kids into the clubhouse and onto the field, according to Williams. But he said he thought Drake LaRoche was there too much.

Williams said he first talked to LaRoche about cutting back on his son's time in the clubhouse a week ago, then again Sunday.

"There has been no policy change with regard to allowance of kids in the clubhouse, on the field, the back fields during spring training," Williams told Fox Sports. "This young man that we're talking about, Drake -- everyone loves this young man. In no way do I want this to be about him.


Instead of trying to compromise with the White Sox on a request to limit his son's time with the team, Adam LaRoche is walking away from $13 million.

"I asked Adam, said, 'Listen, our focus, our interest, our desire this year is to make sure we give ourselves every opportunity to focus on a daily basis on getting better. All I'm asking you to do with regard to bringing your kid to the ballpark is dial it back.'

"I don't think he should be here 100 percent of the time. And he has been here 100 percent, every day, in the clubhouse. I said that I don't even think he should be here 50 percent of the time. Figure it out, somewhere in between.

"We all think his kid is a great young man. I just felt it should not be every day, that's all. You tell me, where in this country can you bring your child to work every day?"

LaRoche, a first baseman-turned-designated hitter, signed a two-year deal for $25 million with the White Sox a year ago. But he struggled in 2015, batting just .207 with 12 homers. He hadn't played since early this month because of back spasms.

The White Sox, who haven't made the playoffs since 2008, made several moves in the offseason in the hopes of greatly improving their 76-86 record from last year.

According to MLB.com, LaRoche has indeed filled out his retirement paperwork, but the White Sox, in allowing him time to reconsider, have not yet submitted it to Major League Baseball's central office.

"He seemed pretty convicted in his decision," Williams said. "He didn't come back to talk to me about it before he made the decision. I thought there was enough flexibility built in."

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"I asked Adam, said, 'Listen, our focus, our interest, our desire this year is to make sure we give ourselves every opportunity to focus on a daily basis on getting better. All I'm asking you to do with regard to bringing your kid to the ballpark is dial it back.'

"I don't think he should be here 100 percent of the time. And he has been here 100 percent, every day, in the clubhouse. I said that I don't even think he should be here 50 percent of the time. Figure it out, somewhere in between.

"We all think his kid is a great young man. I just felt it should not be every day, that's all. You tell me, where in this country can you bring your child to work every day?"

Kenny is right.

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The story here is that Ventura and Hahn have a deficiency of power and/or backbone.


Kenny has to come in and be the bad guy.


See, I don't think that's it. I don't think Ventura or the players minded. This is just Kenny asserting himself like he did when he flipped over the table in Jerry Manuel's clubhouse. Kenny is a dipshit.


AKA a Knee Jerk reaction...and it sure seems that Sale, Eaton and Beckham were not fans of this.

Guessing some of the NEW players said something as it probably came as a surprise to them, someone says something to Kenny 'hey man, whats with the kid in the locker room?"


Sale is really coming across as a weak minded simpleton lately. Last year it was him following around the dumpster fire that was Samardzja around and parroting the guy hitters gave whiplash. It should have humbled his dumb ass given his drop off, but now he has to suckle & bemoan the loss of the most recent moron icon. Eaton needs to stfu until he can put together a full season for the team currently paying him & Beckham should be happy enough playing in the cookie cutter suburb that is East Cobb county again.

Kenny may be a lot of things, but it doesn't seem he's wrong in trying to stem the bullshit going on in Manuel & now that mute idiot Ventura's clubhouses. I hope he sent in that guy's retirement papers yesterday.

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If this guy derails the clubhouse in a season that was looking more and more promising he may go down as the worst signing in Sox history. Killed the team on the field in 2015, killed the team off the field in 2016.


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Hard to see how any of this is a bad thing. LaRoche is gone and so is last year's atmosphere.

The team will forget about this pretty quickly.

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Kenny may be a lot of things, but it doesn't seem he's wrong in trying to stem the bullshit going on in Manuel & now that mute idiot Ventura's clubhouses. I hope he sent in that guy's retirement papers yesterday.


I might agree with that if Kenny weren't the guy hiring the managers. :lol:

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Kenny may be a lot of things, but it doesn't seem he's wrong in trying to stem the bullshit going on in Manuel & now that mute idiot Ventura's clubhouses. I hope he sent in that guy's retirement papers yesterday.


I might agree with that if Kenny weren't the guy hiring the managers. :lol:


I really wonder about that. Jerry was really big on Ozzie & I thought Robin as well. IIRC, Manuel was a Schueler hire. (98-99?)

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so if that near protest report is true... he's not retiring and white sox nation prematurely celebrated.... I'm guessing he's not going to retire and they let his kid hang around no matter how stupid it is.

maybe 2017 will be the year where this team doesnt have a $10M+ 35 y/o+ left handed former power hitter


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Kenny may be a lot of things, but it doesn't seem he's wrong in trying to stem the bullshit going on in Manuel & now that mute idiot Ventura's clubhouses. I hope he sent in that guy's retirement papers yesterday.


I might agree with that if Kenny weren't the guy hiring the managers. :lol:


I really wonder about that. Jerry was really big on Ozzie & I thought Robin as well. IIRC, Manuel was a Schueler hire. (98-99?)


I think Manuel was a Schueler hire. But Robin is Kenny's guy. He should let him run his own clubhouse or fire his ass.

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I thought Robin was Jerry all the way.

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