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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I was speaking from the fan perspective.

Anyway, I'm sure the millionaires will get over not having a .210 hitter on their club.


I hope they do because this city would go nuts with both teams winning. As much fun as it is poking fun of each others teams, imagine if both sides where headed to the playoffs.

Here's hoping for a fun season :drunken:


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I was speaking from the fan perspective.

Anyway, I'm sure the millionaires will get over not having a .210 hitter on their club.


.210??? Were you expecting a bounce back year? LaRoche only hit .207 last season. God, all the hand wringing over having a shitty, overpaid, underproductive player retire. :lol: :lol: There should be celebration over the fact they are rid of him and have the money to spend on someone who might help the team much more. Stupid ass wants to give up 13 million, fine......forget that you had any commitment to your teammates or the club, you couldn't bring your kid to work EVERY DAY, so you take your ball and go home. Good riddance. Just amazed anyone cares, except to cheer the decision.

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Between Bryant's community college ringer video and his anonymous Lyft driver video from last year, he's kind of annoying, even as a Cub fan. That may be more down to my general annoyance at "viral" videos though.


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Rozner and Spiegel were talking about Drake LaRoche as if he was a small child playing with toys in the clubhouse. I know it was tongue-in-cheek but they hit it so hard a reasonable person could easily have thought it was real the way leash did. This is a mature 14 year old kid. I think the point that is being missed is not so much that kids don't belong as regulars in the clubhouse, but rather that outsiders, i.e. non team members, don't belong as anything more than occasional visitors in the clubhouse, whether that's Sammy Sosa's manservant or Adam LaRoche's kid.

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Between Bryant's community college ringer video and his anonymous Lyft driver video from last year, he's kind of annoying, even as a Cub fan. That may be more down to my general annoyance at "viral" videos though.

What does this have to do with LaRoche?

And if that is the only thing we have to grip about in regard to Bryant, I will gladly take it.

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“I'm not going to sit here and say it's going to be the main reason (if the team struggles), or anything like that, but he's definitely going to be missed, and we're not going to get him back.’’

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Between Bryant's community college ringer video and his anonymous Lyft driver video from last year, he's kind of annoying, even as a Cub fan. That may be more down to my general annoyance at "viral" videos though.

What does this have to do with LaRoche?

And if that is the only thing we have to grip about in regard to Bryant, I will gladly take it.

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Rozner and Spiegel were talking about Drake LaRoche as if he was a small child playing with toys in the clubhouse. I know it was tongue-in-cheek but they hit it so hard a reasonable person could easily have thought it was real the way leash did. This is a mature 14 year old kid. I think the point that is being missed is not so much that kids don't belong as regulars in the clubhouse, but rather that outsiders, i.e. non team members, don't belong as anything more than occasional visitors in the clubhouse, whether that's Sammy Sosa's manservant or Adam LaRoche's kid.


Clearly, it was some sort of unfunny joke now, but I defy anyone to listen to hour 3 of their podcast from yesterday and tell me they were obviously kidding. The radio audience changes frequently. They have to make it clear that they arent reporting real stories. I get news from multiple outlets, but I guarantee there are hillbillies from Mokena who get 100% of their sports information from whatever happens to be playing in their '92 F350 now stating what Rozner said as fact.

And Chris Sale is a fuckin' weirdo. Maybe he should worry less about the "rights" of his Bible-humping former first baseman and more about pitching to his potential... because if I was a Sox fan, I'd be very disappointed in the results of Sale. He may very well be the most naturally gifted pitcher in all of baseball, but he doesn't perform like it.

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This is a mature 14 year old kid.


Is it just me, or does the kid look more like he's 11? If this kid were in High school, I could see him being one of the smallest kids in school. I was shocked to see how small he was after hearing that the kid was 14.

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Who took over as team captain from Konerko? And has he spoken publicly yet about the situation?

If a player (or players) went to Kenny, Kenny should have told them to go to talk to their team captain, and handle it in house.

Now it's going to be a witch hunt to figure out which non-redneck caused all of this nonsense to start.

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Dear Chicago White Sox players,

This is intended for all players but most particularly for those who are talking to the media. This Adam and Drake LaRoche stuff has to stop now. There appear to be some misconceptions you have about this situation. Let's try to clear them up.
We don't care about Adam LaRoche.

This is a really, really important thing. Since I think you need to be reminded, that "we" is White Sox fans. You know. Your customers. Jerry Reinsdorf might sign the checks but he's using money we paid to the White Sox to do it.

And we don't care about LaRoche. We don't cherish his one season as a member of the White Sox. We don't respect him. Maybe you need to pause for a second to discern why we don't respect him.

I'll just help you out: He was a fucking horseshit player. He batted .207/.293/.340. He hit 12 home runs and drove in 44 runs. He was a well-below replacement level player. His wRC+ was 75. The eye test said he was bad. Whatever your favorite stat, whatever your analytical persuasion, it didn't matter. He was terrible. And he made $12 million actively hurting the team. We're absolutely thrilled that he retired. He was a deadweight on the performance of our team, on the finances of our team. And now he's gone. This is a near ideal outcome for us.

We don't mind that you may care about him (and his son). After all, you see the other - and more important - side of him. To you, he's an actual human being where, for us, he's essentially a walking stat line. He came to the White Sox with a great reputation. You have a lot of respect for him. That's fine. But we don't.
We don't want to hear about this.

To us, it's utterly ridiculous. A guy - most particularly a guy who was really, really, really bad at his job and was the 3rd highest-paid employee - wants to bring his teenage son to work almost everyday. And you're sticking up for him. We can't relate. It's laughable for one of us to think that we could take our kid to work even once (setting aside the extremely infrequent take-your-kid-to-work days). It's actually kind of offensive to hear someone think they're entitled to take their kid to work everyday.

And we do understand. Major League Baseball is a pretty unique job and has unique demands. And you guys are entitled to some unique benefits and privileges that the rest of us proles can only dream of. But that doesn't mean shove it in our faces. We can't identify with LaRoche in this situation or those of you sticking up for him.

You know who we can identify with? A player/coach/boss/owner who thinks it's distracting/weird/ridiculous/whatever that the son of a player gets to be around the team all the time and, in fact, even has a frickin' locker. They're the ones who notice that there were more players in major league camp than there are lockers in the main locker room. So some guy who has busted his ass for years to get the opportunity to be in major league camp is relegated to the "little" locker room while a 14-year-old kid whose only credential is "Adam LaRoche's son" gets the respect that comes with being in that room.
White Sox baseball is not day camp.

Yeah. This is where things get a little bit ridiculous on our end. But hear me out.

We take the White Sox very seriously. Yes, it's weird that grown-ass men and women care a lot (yes, we concede, probably too much) about how a bunch of guys we don't personally know play a game. There's a reason that "fan" comes from "fanatic".

But we think we're entitled to a distraction. To entertainment. To something that we enjoy (or at least ideally enjoy) watching and spending our limited time and money on. And our distraction is your job. We take it seriously and we expect you to do the same.

There are those of us who already knew about Drake's extensive presence and participation - all of us do now. Some of us have gone to spring training or seen pregame work where there was a kind of short guy wearing #25 and being in the middle of a lot of what was happening. And not just shagging fly balls like other kids. Actually participating in your practice.

Do you understand the optics of that? When we see you fielding like a 14-year-old, doing a run-down like a 14-year-old, run the bases like a 14-year-old and hit like a 14-year-old, it kind of causes us to wonder whether you took those drills with the kid seriously. Whether having someone else participating - like, say, an actual baseball player - might have resulted in you taking it a little more seriously. Or getting a little more of a benefit. Or being a little more focused on doing your job instead of giving pointers to a kid or cleaning up the mistakes of a kid.
Leaders.

And one of you called Drake LaRoche a leader! A 14-year-old kid! Not on the team! A leader for our White Sox! Those four exclamation points are probably four more than I've ever seriously used. I want to emphasize how ridiculously silly this was to hear from the mouth of a baseball player. When you're resorting to such facially absurd and, frankly, borderline offensive rhetoric that means your position is weak.

This is probably where you guys need to take a good, long look at your own clubhouse. LaRoche asserted that if anybody ever had a problem with his kid being around so much, they just could've talked to him about it.

Let's break that down for a minute. How do you think that sounds to a lot of your teammates? Let's say it's a guy with a few major league seasons under his belt, maybe with the White Sox, maybe with some other teams, too. Guess what they're probably thinking.

This teenager is a team leader? That's a guy my teammates respect as a leader? Really? What about me? I'm supposed to give that much respect to a kid? I have to watch what I say and do, watch some kid fly on our charter, have a locker, be involved in everything - even handhold him in drills where I'm trying to get better - while I've worked for years to reach this level, sacrificed lots of things, actually play for the team. And I don't get the same respect Adam Laroche's kid gets. I can't actually approach him about his son, about how I really feel about having a kid in my locker room. (And, yes, some of us did notice that LaRoche was not a good player.) That's why I (and others) went behind LaRoche's and everyone else's back.

That's what's happening to your team.
We don't care about the substance, either.

A player wants his kid around. Some of you guys think that's okay. Some of you didn't. You think you were lied to. You think a teammate got wronged by the organization. That's what you say is really the problem, not that the kid is gone. Blah. Blah. Blah.

Because we know what this is. It's miscommunication. It's people embellishing or outright obfuscating reality. It's people upset with their bosses for changing something. It's things we can't relate to. It's people with egos and, yes, entitlements clashing with one another over...whatever.

And that word really sums it up. Whatever. Stop talking to the media. We're not on your side and we're not going to be. Work it out with your teammates and your bosses. But do it behind closed doors. You guys look and sound ridiculous. Shut up about this and go play baseball. And try winning more games than you lose this time.

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If the Sox win this year, it will because of this masterful job Kenny did.

If they lose this year it is because of this issue.

It will not die

how does it feel to have your own Bartman>?

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how does it feel to have your own Bartman>?

As a Cub fan that's a pretty horse shit comparison. If they kicked him out of the dugout with 5 outs to go in a series clincher in 2005, maybe.


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If the Sox win this year, it will because of this masterful job Kenny did.

If they lose this year it is because of this issue.


There's no doubt that is how it will be framed by the media. This issue is either the galvanizing force for a great team or the thing that caused the dissension that made this team fail.

That won't really be true though. If they're shitty it will be because they didn't hit or pitch and if they're good it will be because they did. If they're so fragile that something like this can effect the season that just says they weren't any good in the first place. It's really no different than Maddon's magicians. They don't do a damn thing one way or another. It's just something easy for the Dumb David Haugh's to write about with minimal effort.

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Dear Chicago White Sox players,

This is intended for all players but most particularly for those who are talking to the media. This Adam and Drake LaRoche stuff has to stop now. There appear to be some misconceptions you have about this situation. Let's try to clear them up.
We don't care about Adam LaRoche.

This is a really, really important thing. Since I think you need to be reminded, that "we" is White Sox fans. You know. Your customers. Jerry Reinsdorf might sign the checks but he's using money we paid to the White Sox to do it.

And we don't care about LaRoche. We don't cherish his one season as a member of the White Sox. We don't respect him. Maybe you need to pause for a second to discern why we don't respect him.

I'll just help you out: He was a fucking horseshit player. He batted .207/.293/.340. He hit 12 home runs and drove in 44 runs. He was a well-below replacement level player. His wRC+ was 75. The eye test said he was bad. Whatever your favorite stat, whatever your analytical persuasion, it didn't matter. He was terrible. And he made $12 million actively hurting the team. We're absolutely thrilled that he retired. He was a deadweight on the performance of our team, on the finances of our team. And now he's gone. This is a near ideal outcome for us.

We don't mind that you may care about him (and his son). After all, you see the other - and more important - side of him. To you, he's an actual human being where, for us, he's essentially a walking stat line. He came to the White Sox with a great reputation. You have a lot of respect for him. That's fine. But we don't.
We don't want to hear about this.

To us, it's utterly ridiculous. A guy - most particularly a guy who was really, really, really bad at his job and was the 3rd highest-paid employee - wants to bring his teenage son to work almost everyday. And you're sticking up for him. We can't relate. It's laughable for one of us to think that we could take our kid to work even once (setting aside the extremely infrequent take-your-kid-to-work days). It's actually kind of offensive to hear someone think they're entitled to take their kid to work everyday.

And we do understand. Major League Baseball is a pretty unique job and has unique demands. And you guys are entitled to some unique benefits and privileges that the rest of us proles can only dream of. But that doesn't mean shove it in our faces. We can't identify with LaRoche in this situation or those of you sticking up for him.

You know who we can identify with? A player/coach/boss/owner who thinks it's distracting/weird/ridiculous/whatever that the son of a player gets to be around the team all the time and, in fact, even has a frickin' locker. They're the ones who notice that there were more players in major league camp than there are lockers in the main locker room. So some guy who has busted his ass for years to get the opportunity to be in major league camp is relegated to the "little" locker room while a 14-year-old kid whose only credential is "Adam LaRoche's son" gets the respect that comes with being in that room.
White Sox baseball is not day camp.

Yeah. This is where things get a little bit ridiculous on our end. But hear me out.

We take the White Sox very seriously. Yes, it's weird that grown-ass men and women care a lot (yes, we concede, probably too much) about how a bunch of guys we don't personally know play a game. There's a reason that "fan" comes from "fanatic".

But we think we're entitled to a distraction. To entertainment. To something that we enjoy (or at least ideally enjoy) watching and spending our limited time and money on. And our distraction is your job. We take it seriously and we expect you to do the same.

There are those of us who already knew about Drake's extensive presence and participation - all of us do now. Some of us have gone to spring training or seen pregame work where there was a kind of short guy wearing #25 and being in the middle of a lot of what was happening. And not just shagging fly balls like other kids. Actually participating in your practice.

Do you understand the optics of that? When we see you fielding like a 14-year-old, doing a run-down like a 14-year-old, run the bases like a 14-year-old and hit like a 14-year-old, it kind of causes us to wonder whether you took those drills with the kid seriously. Whether having someone else participating - like, say, an actual baseball player - might have resulted in you taking it a little more seriously. Or getting a little more of a benefit. Or being a little more focused on doing your job instead of giving pointers to a kid or cleaning up the mistakes of a kid.
Leaders.

And one of you called Drake LaRoche a leader! A 14-year-old kid! Not on the team! A leader for our White Sox! Those four exclamation points are probably four more than I've ever seriously used. I want to emphasize how ridiculously silly this was to hear from the mouth of a baseball player. When you're resorting to such facially absurd and, frankly, borderline offensive rhetoric that means your position is weak.

This is probably where you guys need to take a good, long look at your own clubhouse. LaRoche asserted that if anybody ever had a problem with his kid being around so much, they just could've talked to him about it.

Let's break that down for a minute. How do you think that sounds to a lot of your teammates? Let's say it's a guy with a few major league seasons under his belt, maybe with the White Sox, maybe with some other teams, too. Guess what they're probably thinking.

This teenager is a team leader? That's a guy my teammates respect as a leader? Really? What about me? I'm supposed to give that much respect to a kid? I have to watch what I say and do, watch some kid fly on our charter, have a locker, be involved in everything - even handhold him in drills where I'm trying to get better - while I've worked for years to reach this level, sacrificed lots of things, actually play for the team. And I don't get the same respect Adam Laroche's kid gets. I can't actually approach him about his son, about how I really feel about having a kid in my locker room. (And, yes, some of us did notice that LaRoche was not a good player.) That's why I (and others) went behind LaRoche's and everyone else's back.

That's what's happening to your team.
We don't care about the substance, either.

A player wants his kid around. Some of you guys think that's okay. Some of you didn't. You think you were lied to. You think a teammate got wronged by the organization. That's what you say is really the problem, not that the kid is gone. Blah. Blah. Blah.

Because we know what this is. It's miscommunication. It's people embellishing or outright obfuscating reality. It's people upset with their bosses for changing something. It's things we can't relate to. It's people with egos and, yes, entitlements clashing with one another over...whatever.

And that word really sums it up. Whatever. Stop talking to the media. We're not on your side and we're not going to be. Work it out with your teammates and your bosses. But do it behind closed doors. You guys look and sound ridiculous. Shut up about this and go play baseball. And try winning more games than you lose this time.

Best regards, larry


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That was a terrible letter/blog/rant/whatever.

Just another example of people sticking up for "management", even when said management has shown to be grossly incompetent.

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That was a terrible letter/blog/rant/whatever.

Just another example of people sticking up for "management", even when said management has shown to be grossly incompetent.


They may be incompetent, but if I were a Sox fan, I'd be clamoring for Sale to just STFU. It's getting very weird, and he's starting to sabotage their ability to focus on baseball for a dumb reason.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
That was a terrible letter/blog/rant/whatever.

Just another example of people sticking up for "management", even when said management has shown to be grossly incompetent.


They may be incompetent, but if I were a Sox fan, I'd be clamoring for Sale to just STFU. It's getting very weird, and he's starting to sabotage their ability to focus on baseball for a dumb reason.


I do want everyone to shut up at this point. But I had no problem with Sale calling Kenny out for lying to the players about the situation. All he had to do was say the owner didn't want the little shit in the clubhouse all the time. That would've been the end of it.

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Kenny shouldn't have lied, and I understand he has a history of doing so. I do find it hard to believe, though, that there aren't more in that locker room who werent tired of the kid. Kenny was just the one with the balls to tell him. I just find the whole thing to be incredibly self-centered and lacking self-awareness on the part of Laroche, Sale, and Eaton. They aren't the only ones on the team.

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It sounds like there were players who didn't like it.

My only issue is Kenny telling the players 3 different stories.

It went from coaches being told players had a problem, players being told coaches had a problem, and then finally everyone being told the owner had a problem.

Stick with one story.

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Just another example of people sticking up for "management", even when said management has shown to be grossly incompetent.


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Just another example of populist pandering, here. "To usurp" or "person Terry's Peeps must support." 5 letters. Go.

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Heard this from some players: They hope the White Sox flap doesn't lead to one-size-fits-all rules that could cost Dads time w/their kids.

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You never hear about these guys bringing their DAUGHTERS to games. Who just sniffed my hair?

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That was a terrible letter/blog/rant/whatever.

Just another example of people sticking up for "management", even when said management has shown to be grossly incompetent.



oooooohhh...now you've gone and pissed off larry's minions. :lol:

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Heard this from some players: They hope the White Sox flap doesn't lead to one-size-fits-all rules that could cost Dads time w/their kids.

Unfortunately that is the way it works in the real world. Given enough freedom, somebody always pushes the boundaries and ruins it for everyone. It almost has to be a one size fits all rule or there will be resentment scattered throughout the staff.

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It went from coaches being told players had a problem, players being told coaches had a problem, and then finally everyone being told the owner had a problem.


Perhaps they were all true?

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It went from coaches being told players had a problem, players being told coaches had a problem, and then finally everyone being told the owner had a problem.


Perhaps they were all true?


Then you just say the owner has an issue from the start.

It's a consistent message and nobody can argue with it.

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I'm struggling to think of a sports story this stupid that seemed to get this much coverage locally and nationally. Im drawing a blank. Everybody involved in this story comes across as pathetic except for the kid Drake.

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