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And yet the season premiere of Season 7 will be the highest rated episode yet.

Respectfully, you don't know what you're talking about.


I'd take that bet. TWD has been dropping viewers for a couple years.

Every review of this finale I've read so far has been horrible. Sepinwall is dropping the show. This was not a good move creatively or ratings-wise.

I don't know how anyone could say the finale was horrible. It was great episode all thoughout. People can bitch about the last 30 seconds, but the episode as a whole was great.


Really? The episode was interminable. Twenty minutes of story stretched over 90 minutes with a pointless Carol/Morgan story to boot.

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SpiralStairs wrote:
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And yet the season premiere of Season 7 will be the highest rated episode yet.

Respectfully, you don't know what you're talking about.


I'd take that bet. TWD has been dropping viewers for a couple years.

Every review of this finale I've read so far has been horrible. Sepinwall is dropping the show. This was not a good move creatively or ratings-wise.

I don't know how anyone could say the finale was horrible. It was great episode all thoughout. People can bitch about the last 30 seconds, but the episode as a whole was great.


Really? The episode was interminable. Twenty minutes of story stretched over 90 minutes with a pointless Carol/Morgan story to boot.

I feel differently.

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Dude, please binge watch and catch up. Reading your waaay-late-to-the-party thoughts drives me crazy!


crazy in a "the light is doing crazy things to your hair tonight" way?

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I heard it was coming and know why they did it, but it's definitely cheap and going to rub people the wrong way, including an unabashed apologist like me.

Me too. In the long term, it's a bad cliff hanger ending for the show.
My thought is this: he is going to end up killing one of the lesser characters (Not Carl, Maggie, Glenn, Michonne, Abe, Darryl, or Rick). Which will alienate hardcore comic followers (like us) because we will be annoyed it wasn't a main character but the casual or show only fan will be happy. That is the audience the show goes for (or else Judith would have been killed at the prison). Additionally, if Negan kills a lesser character, it will make him look like a lesser antagonist.

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It is a shame he couldn't say "Now I'm going to beat the holy fuck fucking fuckedy fuck out of one of you with my bat."

I think I'd have forgiven everything else I didn't like about the episode for that.

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:lol:

Who cares about the ratings? Do you have a vested interest in AMC? I'm not looking at what's best for the network and the people who run the show.

As a consumer of the product, it sucks.

They ruined a great scene and that's why there is so much backlash.

The show and AMC cares about ratings. Cable stations exist to make money. Crazy! The show does not care about backlash. Publicity is free marketing. I respect AMC and the show for being good at what they are supposed to be good at. Keeping viewers hooked.

You have so much respect for business in general that you will take a worse product and argue that its "good for business"?

I just judge the product. Last night's ending was bad.


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I just judge the product. Last night's ending was bad.

Most of the second half of the season was bad. When you think about the behavior of Rick's crew, they are no better than anyone else in this world and they totally got what they deserved. After all what Negan said is true, they killed a lot of his people so they needed to pay. Even so, Negan's logic is shockingly naive: These people lead an attack on one of my bases and have killed a bunch of people at other times. I know! I want them to work for me, I'm sure if I kill one of them they will come and work for me with no problems. :roll: .

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I want them to work for me, I'm sure if I kill one of them they will come and work for me with no problems. :roll: .


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I was really disappointed by the ending. I wanted to know who got bashed and I don't think it would have ruined anything. If he had killed Maggie everyone would have been talking about it for days. I'll continue to watch but I could see why some people feel this show has begun to jump the shark. I'm not sure how interesting a season of the Alexandria crew under Neegans thumb would be.

Who were the folks that Morgan ran into? Were they Hilltop folk or a new group?

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Who were the folks that Morgan ran into? Were they Hilltop folk or a new group?



They're a new group. Their leader is.....eccentric.

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Who were the folks that Morgan ran into? Were they Hilltop folk or a new group?



They're a new group. Their leader is.....eccentric.


Totally forgot about him. Makes sense now.

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IMO, this show has been trending downward since season 4. The prospect of Negan and his awesome first scene was keeping me on board.

Even if they did it right, the show is on its last legs. Getting too repetitive.

Last nights episode was good at building tension but they forgot to climax.

Oh well. Game of Thrones is coming.


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IMO, this show has been trending downward since season 4. The prospect of Negan and his awesome first scene was keeping me on board.

Even if they did it right, the show is on its last legs. Getting too repetitive.

Last nights episode was good at building tension but they forgot to climax.

Oh well. Game of Thrones is coming.


The episode could have been an all-timer with the set up of them meeting Negan. Loved the whistling then the look of horror on Rick and the crew's faces whenever they realized they were trapped. And then? Way too much dialogue with zero payoff. I gave up on Homeland for how ridiculous and downright terrible it was getting. I'm ready to jump ship on this one too.

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Av club. I agree with most of this



Walking Dead Finale swings, misses


Question: How do you fill an hour and a half of television with roughly twenty minutes worth of story?

Answer: Well, first you go this way. And they you realize you can’t go that way anymore, so you try another way. And then that way fizzles out on you, so you think real hard and you come up with way three. But damn, way three is another no go, and you’re getting sort of stressed, and maybe that stress creates the illusion of tension, since—oh, hold on, let’s cut to a different storyline which has nothing to do with the main storyline, so we forget that we were worried about where we were going in the first place. Also, there are occasional suggestive shots of… something. No, I’m sure it will all make sense in the end. Everything will make sense if you just keep watching.

Look, here’s the usual caveat—there are good ideas in this. None of them are in the Morgan and Carol storyline (and the fact that the writers managed to make scenes with my two favorite characters into one of the weakest elements of the show deserves some kind of horrible medal), but Rick’s doomed efforts to get Maggie to the Hilltop doctor could’ve worked. There’s something increasingly creepy about how thoroughly the Saviors have them trapped, and there are enough variations on those traps that it could’ve been nightmarish to watch. The final turn of our heroes walking right into the Saviors trap is a great audio and visual moment; the creepy whistling, the mass of armed men appearing seemingly out of nowhere to rob Rick and the others of every possibility of escape, all works on a basic level of “Oh fuck, they’re screwed.”

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The problem is almost everything else. We’ll get to Negan and that so-idiotic-it’s-actually-kind-of-hilarious cliffhanger in a second, but before we do, let’s unpack the many ways “Last Day On Earth” went wrong. Even the title is bad—not on its own, but the repeated efforts to work it into the dialogue (lest we forget that Someone Is Going To Die) were so painfully trite that they ruined what little atmosphere the episode had managed to maintain. There was clumsiness running through nearly every scene as the writers worked over time to hold off the last act we all knew was coming. Nothing was going to matter until Negan showed up, so let’s have a lot of awkward conversations about nothing and stall out the hour.

Oh, I’m sorry, the 90 minutes. Because sure, this is definitely a story that needed extra time to tell. A better edited hour might have made it harder to notice how absurd this all was, or make you wonder how in the fuck the Saviors knew when to pull out the stops on their magic roadblocking plan (I’m sure they have scouts, but that’s a lot of work to pull off in a very short space of time), or how the Saviors have gone from being a jittery, sluggish bunch of incompetents to genius psychic ninjas practically overnight. As it was, there are minutes upon minutes of emptiness to contemplate the foolishness of all of this.

Even worse, the contemplation just puts that much more pressure on the final scene, and that’s not just a problem with this episode. The show has been dicking around for weeks now, ostensibly building to this final reveal, and while foreshadowing and rising action are important storytelling tools, it becomes a problem when they’re the only tools you’ve got. Carol’s awful arc, which somehow gets even worse here, is a prime example of that. Because this season had a set conclusion, because no matter what else happened, Negan was going to arrive at the end of the finale and not a moment sooner, the writers had to stall. And stalling leads to forced character arcs that can’t have any real meaning behind them because they can’t interfere with that set ending.

But hey, it all works out of the ending is effective, right? And this was going to be a big ending, after all that build up. Negan had to be legitimately terrifying to work as a threat, and Jeffrey Dean Morgan is… basically fine? He was one of the least objectionable parts of the finale, anyway. We spend an hour and 20 minutes waiting for him to show up, and when he arrives, the first thing he does is talk about “pee-pee pants,” which is not exactly promising. At least it’s unexpected, though, and the man has presence and authority in a way the other smug Savior creeps have aimed for but haven’t quite managed. Now we’re finally seeing the source of all this douchebaggery, and for once, he seems legitimately justified in his self-regard.

Then he keeps talking and talking and talking, and what was at first legitimately scary (because you know someone is going to die) becomes unsettling but also kind of annoying. But Morgan is decent. He manages to find some menace in what’s really just another “I’m kind of goofy and doesn’t that make me that much scarier?” psycho dude.

Then he brings out Lucille, which is a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire, and he says he’s going to kill someone. That’s intense enough to make you forget that the supposedly terrifying Negan waited a really long time before getting his revenge. He picks someone to beat to death, the camera cuts to first person, and that’s it. Somebody gets pounded. We don’t see who.

This is lousy, manipulative storytelling, a cliffhanger that robs a powerful moment (because good or bad, watching Negan beat someone we kind of like to death would’ve been powerful) of its effect for the mercenary purpose of dragging this nonsense out just a little bit further. When you’re telling a story, you want your audience to keep watching, so sometimes you use tricks to keep them watching, but the promise between you and your viewers is that those tricks will never get in the way of the story itself. The tricks will never become the point. But for The Walking Dead, the tricks are all that’s left. The show can only dangle poisoned treats in front of us, dropping them month by month, year by year, until we finally choke on them.


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Well, did you like Trevor Philips as that one Savior dude, at least?

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The bald guy? He was great. Negan was solid too. The episode would have been great if they showed the beating and reactions.


Its just a scene you cant stop and start, imo


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The bald guy? He was great. Negan was solid too. The episode would have been great if they showed the beating and reactions.


Its just a scene you cant stop and start, imo

Don't worry...the opening of Season 7 will replay most of the scene so that it is 'complete.'

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The bald guy? He was great. Negan was solid too. The episode would have been great if they showed the beating and reactions.


Its just a scene you cant stop and start, imo

Don't worry...the opening of Season 7 will replay most of the scene so that it is 'complete.'


I wouldn't count on that. The ending of last week got a big reaction, and they basically ignored that the entire episode. Oh yeah, here's Daryl in the last few minutes.

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I do not think the opening of the next season will not reveal who got hit with the bat either. It will center around Morgan and Carol, and/or what has happened at Alexandria while the crew has been away.

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The bald guy? He was great. Negan was solid too. The episode would have been great if they showed the beating and reactions.


Its just a scene you cant stop and start, imo

Don't worry...the opening of Season 7 will replay most of the scene so that it is 'complete.'


I wouldn't count on that. The ending of last week got a big reaction, and they basically ignored that the entire episode. Oh yeah, here's Daryl in the last few minutes.


I predict next season-

Episode 1 - We see what Carol and Morgan are up to.
Episode 2 - We see what Tara was doing on her supply run
Episode 3 - We catch up with Gabriel at Alexandria
Episode 4-6 - 3 episode backstory arc on Negan and the Saviors
Episode 7 - What happened in the 3 hours between when Eugene left and he's captured in the RV
Episode 8 - We get the story of what happened to Daryl after he got shot leading up to him walking out of the container to where Negan is and CUT, End of half-season.

We'll get to what happened with the bat at the beginning of the 2nd half of next season.

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The bald guy? He was great. Negan was solid too. The episode would have been great if they showed the beating and reactions.


Its just a scene you cant stop and start, imo

Don't worry...the opening of Season 7 will replay most of the scene so that it is 'complete.'


I wouldn't count on that. The ending of last week got a big reaction, and they basically ignored that the entire episode. Oh yeah, here's Daryl in the last few minutes.


I predict next season-

Episode 1 - We see what Carol and Morgan are up to.
Episode 2 - We see what Tara was doing on her supply run
Episode 3 - We catch up with Gabriel at Alexandria
Episode 4-6 - 3 episode backstory arc on Negan and the Saviors
Episode 7 - What happened in the 3 hours between when Eugene left and he's captured in the RV
Episode 8 - We get the story of what happened to Daryl after he got shot leading up to him walking out of the container to where Negan is and CUT, End of half-season.

We'll get to what happened with the bat at the beginning of the 2nd half of next season.


:lol: I feel like this is exactly what will happen.

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http://www.tmz.com/2016/05/13/walking-dead-norman-reedus-steven-yeun-car-accident/


Looks like Glenn is alive! Bad news for Abraham.

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Could be shooting the death scenes.

Or flashbacks.

I still think Glenn gets it.

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I think the traffic accident was staged.
I think the traffic accident was caused by a woman.

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