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The only thing consistent about Bernie is his rhetoric and lack of action. Bernie Sanders is a conman. No he isn't a racist or pretending to be one like Trump but they're running the same campaign.

That's just a ridiculous notion. I don't agree with a lot of what Bernie says or proposes, but he's an actual respectable decent human being who generally does know what the fuck he is talking about. He's laid out a lot of specifics. He's not talking about doing something terrific and talking like a 5 year old in debates and town halls. He's not mentioning the size of his dick in his opening statements.


I guess you missed the interview with the NY Daily News and any interview where he was asked tough questions.


I didn't realize he bragged about the size of his manhood in that interview. Weird.

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I think your hate goggles are blinding you. I don't feel like responding to everything you've written here, but I disagree with pretty much all of it, and it sounds like a Clinton Campaign commercial. Clinton supporters thought Bernie Sanders was an alright guy early on when he posed no threat. Now that he's a threat, he's a lying, cheating, meanie monster who hates minorities. Even if a lot of what you said is true, I literally don't care. The whole Democrat/Independent thing, I couldn't care less about. Also, if he did go after Obama, Hillary would spin it that he doesn't like black people, right? Why do you care whether he criticizes Obama? It's almost comical the things that people are coming up with. It should be enough just to say you don't think his policies are realistic and you don't think he could accomplish them, anyway. There's no need to look for absurd things to criticize him for.

We just disagree. It's fine.


I've never thought he was an alright guy. I was saying the same stuff before folks started falling in love with him. My issues with him has never been focused on his policies. It has always been about his character and his ability to do any of the things he has proposed.

You keep saying that it's not about his policies BUT you continue to ignore or dismiss anything that challenges your opinion about the personal qualities that you believe Bernie possesses.


Because the "challenges" are dumb.


Of course they are. You've already made your mind up. Anything that challenges your current beliefs is essentially a personal attack against you that you have to defend.

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The only thing consistent about Bernie is his rhetoric and lack of action. Bernie Sanders is a conman. No he isn't a racist or pretending to be one like Trump but they're running the same campaign.

That's just a ridiculous notion. I don't agree with a lot of what Bernie says or proposes, but he's an actual respectable decent human being who generally does know what the fuck he is talking about. He's laid out a lot of specifics. He's not talking about doing something terrific and talking like a 5 year old in debates and town halls. He's not mentioning the size of his dick in his opening statements.


I guess you missed the interview with the NY Daily News and any interview where he was asked tough questions.


I didn't realize he bragged about the size of his manhood in that interview. Weird.


You know what I'm talking about. Bernie Sanders lacked some basic knowledge of many issues and lied about taking the subway.

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The only thing consistent about Bernie is his rhetoric and lack of action. Bernie Sanders is a conman. No he isn't a racist or pretending to be one like Trump but they're running the same campaign.

That's just a ridiculous notion. I don't agree with a lot of what Bernie says or proposes, but he's an actual respectable decent human being who generally does know what the fuck he is talking about. He's laid out a lot of specifics. He's not talking about doing something terrific and talking like a 5 year old in debates and town halls. He's not mentioning the size of his dick in his opening statements.


I guess you missed the interview with the NY Daily News and any interview where he was asked tough questions.

Nope. I read that interview and have heard him answer tough questions. You're simply not being honest if you're trying to make any actual comparison to Trump from that or any other interview. I really don't give a shit who wins the nomination either, unlike the rest of you.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Of course they are. You've already made your mind up. Anything that challenges your current beliefs is essentially a personal attack against you that you have to defend.



Re-read what you wrote. The only legitimate criticism you make is your first paragraph regarding his Senate record, which is a legitimate thing to look at. But why would anyone care about his party affiliation or his relationship with Obama? That's just noise.

And I don't even know how to address the last point. Are you criticizing him for being part of the Civil Rights movement?

Regarding having my mind made up, you can perceive it that way if you want, but it's not at all true... though I will say it's nice concept to be able to believe in the true decency of a politician and something which I've never really experienced.

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A guy that has been a reliable vote for Democrats whenever they need it has convinced everyone that he is independent.

A guy who fundamentally disagrees with President Obama on nearly everything is afraid to go after the president's record because it will hurt him with Democratic voters.

A guy that has said he will run a campaign only on the issues has openly mocked Hillary and recently attacked her character and qualifications.

This same guy has convinced everyone that he isn't a politician.

The only thing consistent about Bernie is his rhetoric and lack of action. Bernie Sanders is a conman. No he isn't a racist or pretending to be one like Trump but they're running the same campaign.


These "arguments" are about useful as a Beardown post on race. LYK gives these lines too much credit when he says they resemble something from a Clinton campaign. They look more like banalities copied and pasted from a 17 year old's My Space account which she's dedicated to Clinton's hunky son in law. LTG knows what My Space page I'm talking about since he's referenced it during NBA trade rumor chats.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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You know what I'm talking about. Bernie Sanders lacked some basic knowledge of many issues and lied about taking the subway.

:lol: :lol:

Might not want to go down that road as HillaryMan.

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You know what I'm talking about. Bernie Sanders lacked some basic knowledge of many issues and lied about taking the subway.

:lol: :lol:

Might not want to go down that road as HillaryMan.


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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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You know what I'm talking about. Bernie Sanders lacked some basic knowledge of many issues and lied about taking the subway.

:lol: :lol:

Might not want to go down that road as HillaryMan.

I was surprised when I saw Nas made a specific Hillary thread, as I figured the Rewriting History one was already about her.


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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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The only thing consistent about Bernie is his rhetoric and lack of action. Bernie Sanders is a conman. No he isn't a racist or pretending to be one like Trump but they're running the same campaign.

That's just a ridiculous notion. I don't agree with a lot of what Bernie says or proposes, but he's an actual respectable decent human being who generally does know what the fuck he is talking about. He's laid out a lot of specifics. He's not talking about doing something terrific and talking like a 5 year old in debates and town halls. He's not mentioning the size of his dick in his opening statements.


I guess you missed the interview with the NY Daily News and any interview where he was asked tough questions.

Nope. I read that interview and have heard him answer tough questions. You're simply not being honest if you're trying to make any actual comparison to Trump from that or any other interview. I really don't give a shit who wins the nomination either, unlike the rest of you.


It shows that he's a soundbite guy that lacks specifics or basic knowledge of some international issues. He is running the same campaign minus the dog whistling.

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You know what I'm talking about. Bernie Sanders lacked some basic knowledge of many issues and lied about taking the subway.

:lol: :lol:

Might not want to go down that road as HillaryMan.


I'm not even a Hillary guy. Besides he isn't supposed to be like Hillary.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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You are a Hillary guy, I can't tell if your Bernie bashing is serious or not. I think you and Rick just like getting everybody fired up.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Of course they are. You've already made your mind up. Anything that challenges your current beliefs is essentially a personal attack against you that you have to defend.



Re-read what you wrote. The only legitimate criticism you make is your first paragraph regarding his Senate record, which is a legitimate thing to look at. But why would anyone care about his party affiliation or his relationship with Obama? That's just noise.

And I don't even know how to address the last point. Are you criticizing him for being part of the Civil Rights movement?

Regarding having my mind made up, you can perceive it that way if you want, but it's not at all true... though I will say it's nice concept to be able to believe in the true decency of a politician and something which I've never really experienced.


Being a reliable vote for Democrats and failing to criticize Obama during the campaign says a lot about his character.

Blacks and other Bernie supporters act like he's new to Washington. He's had 3 decades to propose these things that they care about and he claims to believe in. He's been just talk.

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failing to criticize Obama during the campaign says a lot about his character.

I don't understand this talking point from you. Whenever Bernie even slightly disagrees publicly with Obama, your girl Hillary goes apeshit and acts like it's fucking blasphemy to question Obama. Pick a lane.

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A guy that has been a reliable vote for Democrats whenever they need it has convinced everyone that he is independent.

A guy who fundamentally disagrees with President Obama on nearly everything is afraid to go after the president's record because it will hurt him with Democratic voters.

A guy that has said he will run a campaign only on the issues has openly mocked Hillary and recently attacked her character and qualifications.

This same guy has convinced everyone that he isn't a politician.

The only thing consistent about Bernie is his rhetoric and lack of action. Bernie Sanders is a conman. No he isn't a racist or pretending to be one like Trump but they're running the same campaign.


These "arguments" are about useful as a Beardown post on race. LYK gives these lines too much credit when he says they resemble something from a Clinton campaign. They look more like banalities copied and pasted from a 17 year old's My Space account which she's dedicated to Clinton's hunky son in law. LTG knows what My Space page I'm talking about since he's referenced it during NBA trade rumor chats.


You can't criticize his policies. You can't mention his character flaws. You can't talk about what he hasn't done in 3 decades. You can't ask how he'll accomplish anything he proposes. What can you? Just have faith that a guy who hasn't proposed any of these policies in 3 decades will get them passed if we make him president?

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After Bernie takes NY and Pennsylvania maybe you dopes will take him seriously.

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failing to criticize Obama during the campaign says a lot about his character.

I don't understand this talking point from you. Whenever Bernie even slightly disagrees publicly with Obama, your girl Hillary goes apeshit and acts like it's fucking blasphemy to question Obama. Pick a lane.


What does any of this mean? I'm not Hillary. Bernie shouldn't be afraid to criticize President Obama because it will cost him votes. He's sold himself as a man of principle not a man of expediency.

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A guy that has been a reliable vote for Democrats whenever they need it has convinced everyone that he is independent.

A guy who fundamentally disagrees with President Obama on nearly everything is afraid to go after the president's record because it will hurt him with Democratic voters.

A guy that has said he will run a campaign only on the issues has openly mocked Hillary and recently attacked her character and qualifications.

This same guy has convinced everyone that he isn't a politician.

The only thing consistent about Bernie is his rhetoric and lack of action. Bernie Sanders is a conman. No he isn't a racist or pretending to be one like Trump but they're running the same campaign.


These "arguments" are about useful as a Beardown post on race. LYK gives these lines too much credit when he says they resemble something from a Clinton campaign. They look more like banalities copied and pasted from a 17 year old's My Space account which she's dedicated to Clinton's hunky son in law. LTG knows what My Space page I'm talking about since he's referenced it during NBA trade rumor chats.


You can't criticize his policies. You can't mention his character flaws. You can't talk about what he hasn't done in 3 decades. You can't ask how he'll accomplish anything he proposes. What can you? Just have faith that a guy who hasn't proposed any of these policies in 3 decades will get them passed if we make him president?


Sanders wouldn't be the first president to be elected who hasn't played a large role in Senate legislation, and he won't be the last - especially if the fascination with celebrities continues to bleed into serious politics, so this is not a strong counter argument. What is your take on his actual substantive positions? By that I mean campaign finance, universal healthcare, and regulation of wall street, to name a few.

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After Bernie takes NY and Pennsylvania maybe you dopes will take him seriously.


He won't win either. Who said he wasn't a serious candidate? I've said for a while if he really wanted to win he could. He's the one that is surprised to be here.

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He's won 7 of the last 8, The people of the South have spoken n chose Clinton..its the North that decides elections and he will take Pennsylvania n NY. This is 08' redeux for that phony Caller Bob.

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A guy that has been a reliable vote for Democrats whenever they need it has convinced everyone that he is independent.

A guy who fundamentally disagrees with President Obama on nearly everything is afraid to go after the president's record because it will hurt him with Democratic voters.

A guy that has said he will run a campaign only on the issues has openly mocked Hillary and recently attacked her character and qualifications.

This same guy has convinced everyone that he isn't a politician.

The only thing consistent about Bernie is his rhetoric and lack of action. Bernie Sanders is a conman. No he isn't a racist or pretending to be one like Trump but they're running the same campaign.


These "arguments" are about useful as a Beardown post on race. LYK gives these lines too much credit when he says they resemble something from a Clinton campaign. They look more like banalities copied and pasted from a 17 year old's My Space account which she's dedicated to Clinton's hunky son in law. LTG knows what My Space page I'm talking about since he's referenced it during NBA trade rumor chats.


You can't criticize his policies. You can't mention his character flaws. You can't talk about what he hasn't done in 3 decades. You can't ask how he'll accomplish anything he proposes. What can you? Just have faith that a guy who hasn't proposed any of these policies in 3 decades will get them passed if we make him president?


Sanders wouldn't be the first president to be elected who hasn't played a large role in Senate legislation, and he won't be the last - especially if the fascination with celebrities continues to bleed into serious politics, so this is not a strong counter argument. What is your take on his actual substantive positions? By that I mean campaign finance, universal healthcare, and regulation of wall street, to name a few.


He's been there for 3 decades, why don't you care about what he's done or tried to do? Why hasn't he proposed these things in 3 decades? Why should I believe that he cares or can do it now? Why does he still struggle with anything beyond soundbites? I've said many times if I didn't truly believe that he was a charlatan (This isn't a new position that I am taking) that I would be his biggest fan. I would still vote for Hillary (my vote isn't about her) but I would love the guy and hope that he won.

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He's won 7 of the last 8, The people of the South have spoken n chose Clinton..its the North that decides elections and he will take Pennsylvania n NY. This is 08' redeux for that phony Caller Bob.


He's won caucuses and states everyone expected him to win. He won't win New York or Pennsylvania.

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He's won 7 of the last 8, The people of the South have spoken n chose Clinton..its the North that decides elections and he will take Pennsylvania n NY. This is 08' redeux for that phony Caller Bob.


He's won caucuses and states everyone expected him to win. He won't win New York or Pennsylvania.





I believe most predicted he'd win Vermont and nothing else.. Maybe he takes solace in this?

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Bernie Sanders said he wouldn't vote for the Affordable Care Act unless it had a Public Option. When his vote was needed he was allowed to add an amendment to the legislation and he voted for the Affordable Care Act even though it doesn't have a public option. Now he wants to repeal and replace the bill he was against before he was for it.

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Bernie Sanders said he wouldn't vote for the Affordable Care Act unless it had a Public Option. When his vote was needed he was allowed to add an amendment to the legislation and he voted for the Affordable Care Act even though it doesn't have a public option. Now he wants to repeal and replace the bill he was against before he was for it.


Maybe he signed a deal with the devil. Probably not, though... I don't recall him and Hillary being that close at the time.

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Bernie Sanders said he wouldn't vote for the Affordable Care Act unless it had a Public Option. When his vote was needed he was allowed to add an amendment to the legislation and he voted for the Affordable Care Act even though it doesn't have a public option. Now he wants to repeal and replace the bill he was against before he was for it.


Maybe he signed a deal with the devil. Probably not, though... I don't recall him and Hillary being that close at the time.


You are right. Obama basically got Hillary's bill passed. The same one he criticized throughout the campaign. Pretty much everyone has forgotten now.

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Bernie Sanders said he wouldn't vote for the Affordable Care Act unless it had a Public Option. When his vote was needed he was allowed to add an amendment to the legislation and he voted for the Affordable Care Act even though it doesn't have a public option. Now he wants to repeal and replace the bill he was against before he was for it.


Maybe he signed a deal with the devil. Probably not, though... I don't recall him and Hillary being that close at the time.


You are right. Obama basically got Hillary's bill passed. The same one he criticized throughout the campaign. Pretty much everyone has forgotten now.


Sanders has been clear about revamping the healthcare system. Admittedly he's dodged the question of replacing Obamacare, but whether or not you agree with him the least one can say is that hes clear about the system he wants.

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Sanders has been clear about revamping the healthcare system. Admittedly he's dodged the question of replacing Obamacare, but whether or not you agree with him the least one can say is that hes clear about the system he wants.


I think you COMPLETELY missed the point. He has been clear about wanting a single payer system for a while. He said that he wouldn't vote for ACA if it didn't have a public option. In the end his vote was needed to pass the bill. He simply added an amendment to it (to save face) and voted for it. He voted for something he is fundamentally opposed to because his vote was needed. Now he wants to repeal and replace the bill he voted for with something he wanted all along. He doesn't say "repeal and replace" because it would hurt him with Obama's voters.

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