Honestly it is.

I guess we somehow have different definitions of what free is. It turns out that something isn't free if someone else turns down something free and instead pays for it.

I guess we'll see if leashyourkids also thinks that high school education is not free in the United States.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I'm not following your point at all.

There is free public high school (or almost free). However, there are still private schools that are much more expensive that people elect to attend. This is how I would envision Sanders' proposal.

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I didnt say that so the word also is kinda curious there.

Black: High School education is Free
White: High School education is not free
Gray: Some is free, some costs money.

rpb is claiming that I am not being truthful.

I believe that high school education in this country is free. rpb does not think that high school education in this country is free. I am using "free tuition" in the same way I am using "free high school". Do you also feel I am not being truthful?

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BRick has attracted another squadron of X Wing Fighters.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

Nas is putting in work. Hillary Care laid the foundation for later bills regarding universal health care. Her fight on this issue alone supersedes any fight that Bernie Sanders has ever undertaken. It made her the most disliked individual in Washington at the time. She wasn't even an elected official at the time and it still exceeds Sanders work as an elected official. For those that think it was easy for her to do it wasn't. It was extremely unpopular at the time and it demonstrated that she is willing to fight the good fight.

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LTG, would universal health care be free?

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I never said that.

Everyone reading this understands that some high schools are free and some are not. I know you desperately want a One size fits all answer, but there just isnt one here.

No because you'd have to increase the amount of revenue generated from income taxes. I'm actually not in favor of universal health care. I think people have a right to choose whether they want health care or not.

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It is kind of funny because we can't even pay for our current entitlement programs as Social Security and Medicare have huge long term funding gaps, and public pensions are pretty far in the red. Each side wants to either cut taxes or add more spending, and yet no one is willing to address the costs of either.

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So, if the government banned private high schools, would high school suddenly become free?

That seems to be what you are hung up on and caused you to basically call me a liar. It's that someone can turn down something free and instead pay for it.

I could go out and buy air. Is air free?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I have always been in favor of less spending, particularly on the military. It is one of the things that Clinton was able to do and it helped spur the economy. Military Industrial Complex is a huge issue and it is one that Republicans and Democrats punt on most of the time. Neither side wants to address the issue. Clinton drastically reduced the size of the military and it was a net benefit for the country.

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If that happened, then we could accurately say High School is free.

As of right now, we have to say that free high school is available to all but not all high school is free (if we are concerned with accuracy.)




You should just stop now. Each post is coming off more ridiculous.


It's amazing how hard you are arguing to justify telling a half truth or half the story. Why not just tell the whole story? "Free public and state universities" is easy to say.

Rick, by saying that college will be "free", it could be inferred that we would also pay for people's tuition at private colleges. So I wouldn't say you were lying, but you are leaving out an important word, intentionally or unintentionally.

It's not a government takeover if there are still private options. Would you say the government controls the courier system?

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Free tuition is available to all though. That is the point. I don't see why I need to qualify it any other way. Every 17 year old that meets the requirements will have access to free tuition.

As I said earlier, if chipotle is giving away free burritos, and I don't go get one, the burritos are still free.
The government doesn't pay for any courier system, even the USPS. The USPS is funded by usage. If the government paid for my USPS, fedex, and UPS bills then yes they would control the courier system.

There are private options for elderly health insurance. The government still controls over 65 health care.
There are private parks. Does that mean the government doesn't control the park system?
There are private military units. Does that mean the government doesn't control the military?
There are private beaches and bodies of water. Does the government not control our waterways?

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My response to this disappeared, which seems common here. This board is like North Korea. People vanish, and the official histories change with them.

Why does Hilary get credit for not passing a bill as first lady? Why does she get a pass for not accomplishing anything, because it is "what was possible."

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Doublespeak. Even Hilary's failures are accomplishments, because she "fought the good fight".

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Sonny Weaver Jr.: Come on, Tom. Say it with me, you pancake-eating motherfucker.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

One could argue...

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

By that logic, you could say the government controls basically every industry... education, insurance (and not just health insurance), the financial sector, transportation, housing, etc. The government either offers an alternative or subsidizes products in these industries. So I guess they are all government-run.

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Yeah, I don't really get it, Rick. Why not just say "public" and make it easy?

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I'm not referring to the government doing some of the purchasing. I'm referring to them doing a large majority of the purchasing and/or offering all citizens the ability to have it paid for by the government.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The point is she fought. She didn't just talk and she didn't give up her fight. She got health care for kids passed and Obama virtually passed the healthcare bill she campaigned on. She gets credit for getting the kids healthcare bill passed and continuing the fight that led to the ACA. That's something that she wants to build on.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

??? Nas?

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The discussion here is whether I was being untruthful or not.

I could have said public universities, and I could have said American universities, and I could have said accredited universities, and I could have said universities that accept students, and I could have said non-defunct universities. The fact that I didn't say any of that doesn't change anything.

Bernie Sanders is proposing free tuition for all. They can turn it down if they want but what I said was truthful.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

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I'm not a magician. I would ban all Bernie Bros if I had that power.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Isn't unadultered praise being heaped upon Sanders for merely having the courage and "strength of his convictions" regarding income inequality, universal health care, and funding for public education. He is being lauded for "raising the issue" while Hillary is being bashed for actually attempting to get legislation passed. This is the height of hypocrisy.

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You are praising Hilary for failing to pass Obamacare. Come on.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?