The whole Bernie Bros thing is made up.

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/31/the ... -activism/

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-bro-is-a-myth/

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I'm praising her for attempting to get a monumental piece of legislation passed. Sanders merely talks about issues that everyone else has been harping on for years and he is considered leader of a revolution. Mind you he hasn't even attempted get this stuff passed at any point of his career as a legislator. Getting Health Care reform passed was extremely difficult. I'm not going to knock her for failing. She wasn't even an elected official at the time. Sanders has been a sitting Congressman for 25-30 years and never proposed any sort of major legislation; yet we are now to believe that he is going to "transform Washington".

If he'd merely attempted to accomplish some of the things that he is suggesting now he'd have my vote. As I stated before Income inequality is the single biggest issue facing the country. I have studied it extensively and I have been in communities that are hardest hit by it. Its not a political talking point for me. I doubt the guys sincerity regarding it and it appears that he is attempting to fill a void that exists within the Democratic Party.

He has heretofore shown himself to be a "protest" candidate. Guys like that have come along before. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson immediately come to mind on this particular score. There is more to governing than pointing out inequities in the system. Sanders hasn't demonstrated that he is able to fix these inequities and it is questionable as to whether he ever really has wanted to. He has had 30 years to fight for issues that are allegedly near and dear to him. He really hasn't. Are we to believe that he is going to do it now? I don't

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What about the BangBros?

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Hawaii (fuck) You

Hillary Clinton sponsored 400+ bills during her eight years as a United States Senator.

Three of them passed: legislation creating a historic site in Troy, a proposal to rename a highway, and another proposal to rename a bank.

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Sounds like Bernie found his smoking gun.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I saw that, too, but in all honesty it sounded so ridiculous, I was afraid to post it for fear that I was mistakenly posting an Onion article.

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In fairness, Bernie only has three sponsored bills of his own passed. Only one of his was any different, but it was a fairly standard "we love the vets" one time cost of living adjustment.

This is kind of a nothing topic for relatively newish Senators.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

Agreed. His is comically low, also.

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The point is that Sanders' Senatorial record (in terms of passing bills into law, at least) is indistinguishable from Clinton's despite the contention in this thread that Clinton is a "leader" who knows how to get things done.

The truth is that she accomplished little in the Senate.

As Secretary of State, she embraced a neoconservative militarist position that has had disastrous consequences internationally.

As first lady, she pursued a neoliberal economic agenda ("free" trade, austerity, privatization) that has had disastrous consequences domestically.

So when she has gotten things done--outside of elected office, mind you--the things that she has gotten done are generally pretty awful.

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practice makes perfect

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

She has shown leadership on some issues. Its one of the reasons that she is so unpopular. Sanders has had 30 years to show leadership and he hasn't done so. Hillary Clinton is also light years ahead of the guy when it comes to policy. The guy had a difficult time articulating how he'd break up the big banks. Not only couldn't he articulate a plan, he could explain the role and responsibility of the Fed in all of this. That is troublesome. He also doesn't have a clue about foreign policy. Isn't it fair to ask why he hasn't brushed up on foreign policy after being in Congress for close to 30 years?

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As a Senator, yes she accomplished little with sponsored or cosponsored legislation on the official record. Neither of them did. However, rightly or not, she is viewed to be more of a behind the scenes (soul-less) dealmaker and policy wonk. I love Bernie's ideas, but there is nothing to suggest that he would have the foggiest idea on how to drive them through. Listening to his interviews for years, it was clear he never had to once consider any in detail. As a result, he can always claim the higher moral/ethical ground, but it's also left him as the proverbial dog who finally caught the car, and now doesn't know what to do with it. The Daily News interview sadly kinda added credence to my earlier perception.

It's a perception that he carefully crafted and has to eat, for good and now bad. Just as she has to eat being a facilitator who wants nothing more than to keep the wheels rolling.

Her perception/reality is why I've never voted for a Clinton in a primary. She & Bill need to continually be pushed.

I still laugh at her supporters still trying to disassociate her from Bill's record, especially the corporatist parts. Especially when they want to include those years in her "experience" . She was a pragmatist who can justify (correctly, in her mind) NAFTA, extending Greenspan, ending Glass-Steagall, welfare reform and unopposed bombing raids. I think the criticisms of her for Bill's criminal "reforms" unfair, because iirc, they weren't all too unpopular at the time in the communities that are now supposed to be "outraged" by them now. In the neighborhood I've lived in most of my life, gunshots weren't (then) anything special and Jesse's remarks about who to be more fearful of while standing in line at an ATM weren't out of line. It'd be hypocritical of me to forget that I tended to generally agree with most of that thought at the time.

I'd like to believe that she's finally at the point in her life that she wants to leave a progressive legacy, but I'm not taking bets. What I will bet on though is that 3-4 Supreme Justice replacements (aside from Scalia) will be named shortly, and the notion of Kasich, Cruz, Trump or Paul Ryan types making their nominations is absolutely horrifying. Couple that with the my belief that I just don't think Bernie has a hope in hell in a general election, and imo his nomination would absolutely guarantee Citizens United+ on steroids.

If only for the Supremes alone, in the general I just don't see another reasonable choice except Hillary. And I'm growing more disappointed with some (like Nina Turner & others) their purity tests and increasingly questionable arguments.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

She's cosponsored many pieces of legislation that became law.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

In fairness, so has Bernie

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

This is why LTG can't be taken seriously when he says Clinton will fight income inequality and curb the excesses of wall street. When it's been pointed out to him numerous times that Clinton is part of the problem of inequality, his top rebuttal is to say while Clinton does problematically contribute to the problem, Sanders is even worse for failing to get people like Clinton on his side to fight said problem.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Not exactly. What's his signature piece of legislation? Even if you don't give Hillary credit for fighting for healthcare or for having President Obama adopt her bill she still has SCHIP and some women issues.

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GO BEARS!!!

Sanders hasn't fought either.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

As far as income inequality goes there is a lot of revisionism going on. At the time the financial industry was deregulated it was considered a good thing for working and middle class families. Home ownership, long considered a key source of wealth creation, increased by 5%. Theoretically everyone was supposed to benefit. That it was nothing more than a financial industry version of the Ponzi scheme wasn't really apparent at the time. In addition is the fact that the financial meltdown occurred on Bush's and not Clinton's watch.

Also the financial industry has increased its wealth exponentially since Obama became President. He still was elected twice and I'm sure some of the same people lambasting Hillary voted for him both times. Obama far outpaced Hillary and McCain in corporate contributions yet people still saw fit to vote for him.

I attach Hillary with Bill. That's one of the reasons I voted for her. The Clinton years were good yrs and there is a bit of revisionism with respect to his record going on

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Bill wasn't great. I would hate Hillary if I believed she would be the same president.

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GO BEARS!!!

Hillary caught lying...AGAIN.

Clinton added: "Here's what I want you to know: Most of the guns that are used in crimes and violence and killings in New York come from out of state. The state that has the highest per-capita number of those guns that end up committing crime in New York come from Vermont."

That drew audible gasps from her audience, convened by the campaign to talk specifically about gun laws

The state itself was the source for 1,397 of the weapons, making it the leader in absolute numbers. Virginia was runner-up, with 395. Vermont ranked 15th on the list, accounting for 55 of the weapons - less than 1 percent of the total.

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Facts schmacts.

You just hate women.

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This is really a poorly worded last paragraph. I assume that "1,397" is referring to the total number of out of state guns used in commissions of crimes in NY. That seems quite low, but I'll accept it for the purposes of this discussion.

Which brings me to the crux of the matter. That's NOT a lie. She carefully added the phrase "highest per-capita". A quick check of the numbers comparing the populations (& sourced guns) of Vermont & Virginia (which I presume are the two "highest per capita") shows that "per capita", almost twice as many outside guns used in the commission of a crime DO in fact come from Vermont.

But hey, anything goes if you want to continue the "Hillary is always a liar" narrative.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

Glad Hilary is anti-gun this time around. She was a pro-gun church goer in 2008. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008 ... goer/?_r=0


It's also funny that she is more electable given that she polls behind Sanders in every head-to-head, and she is the subject of a pending FBI investigation. At least she lead the failed effort to pass healthcare reform in the 90s. It proves she is a leader.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

She has garnered 2.5 million more votes than Sanders. If it were not for silly caucuses keeping him viable, this race would have been over. If he is such the spicy candidate, why have the vast majority of his victories been in caucuses. If Hillary were winning elections this way there would be all types of belly aching and charges made regarding election fraud

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He doesn't really need imaginary scenarios you make up to accuse Hillary/the DNC of fraud:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem- ... ate-221835

Also, it's statements of yours like this that turn people off from Hillary and her supporters. Favrefan, who doesn't have a dog in the fight, mentioned earlier that the biggest thing he hates about the Clinton campaign is its sense of entitlement. Your post exemplifies this.

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Caucus states don't release vote numbers. And the states she won in the primaries are largely in the South. Think they will go for her in the general?

Now you have shifted to Hilary's votes. Guess you gave up on her accomplishments of failing to pass healthcare, passing zero bills in Congress and overseeing the smooth transition in Libya as Secretary of State. With that shining record, her spotty ethics don't matter.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

She was intentionally being dishonest.

The 1397 is one year of stats from New York state from an 8 year investigation done by the ATF.

She cherry picked one year out of an 8 year report from the ATF to make her statement about Vermont.

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