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 Post subject: Re: Dem Debate
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:57 pm 
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The biggest problem I have with the "political revolution" is that it's a one-man band. Where are the downballot candidates running on his beliefs?


There aren't and won't be. Its quite telling that Sanders but recently received his first Senatorial endorsement. He has been in Washington far too long for anyone to take his revolution talk seriously. There really isn't any movement either. There is however, a guy that has emerged as the Hillary alternative and that is about it.


I don't think you understand the generational divide within the Democratic party and the American electorate more broadly.

People under 45 are overwhelmingly voting for Sanders because they have disproportionately experienced the adverse effects of our faltering economic system. As a result, they are moving to the left and will likely continue to do so as long as the neoliberal consensus continues its reign in Washington. Millennials face unprecedented challenges in finding good employment and achieving upward class mobility. Neoliberal hegemony guarantees that these problems will only continue to increase in the coming years; consequently, we likely have only begun to see the emergence of new class-based popular movements. There is much greater social turbulence on the horizon.

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 Post subject: Re: Dem Debate
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:07 pm 
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The biggest problem I have with the "political revolution" is that it's a one-man band. Where are the downballot candidates running on his beliefs?


There aren't and won't be. Its quite telling that Sanders but recently received his first Senatorial endorsement. He has been in Washington far too long for anyone to take his revolution talk seriously. There really isn't any movement either. There is however, a guy that has emerged as the Hillary alternative and that is about it.


I don't think you understand the generational divide within the Democratic party and the American electorate more broadly.

People under 45 are overwhelmingly voting for Sanders because they have disproportionately experienced the adverse effects of our faltering economic system. As a result, they are moving to the left and will likely continue to do so as long as the neoliberal consensus continues its reign in Washington. Millennials face unprecedented challenges in finding good employment and achieving upward class mobility. Neoliberal hegemony guarantees that these problems will only continue to increase in the coming years; consequently, we likely have only begun to see the emergence of new class-based popular movements. There is much greater social turbulence on the horizon.



I agree with everything you just wrote. How does Sanders factor into the equation is the larger question. A 75 year old career politician that has never shown any real leadership isn't the guy to lead the movement. Its the same reason that Hillary Clinton lacks crebility when she attempts to play the progressive card. Sanders has been an elected official for longer than she has and has been co-opted at least twice with respect to his political affiliation. Obama was supposed to be leading a revolution also but when you don't have a history of doing such a thing, said proclamations just ring hollow.

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 Post subject: Re: Dem Debate
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:12 pm 
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Its a class that Sanders is and has been firmly entrenched in for pretty much his entire adult life. That is one of the fundamental problems with thinking of his candidacy as anything other than what it is; a run of the mill political campaign.


He ran on small donations. He is not filthy rich, and he is railing against money in politics. If you can't see the difference you are choosing to be blind.


He is a career politician, which makes him a member of the "political class". Railing against money in politics doesn't exclude him from being a member of the political class.

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He ran on small donations. He is not filthy rich, and he is railing against money in politics.


Excellent point. That's pretty much the essence of the difference between him and everyone else between the two parties.

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long time guy wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Its a class that Sanders is and has been firmly entrenched in for pretty much his entire adult life. That is one of the fundamental problems with thinking of his candidacy as anything other than what it is; a run of the mill political campaign.


He ran on small donations. He is not filthy rich, and he is railing against money in politics. If you can't see the difference you are choosing to be blind.


He is a career politician, which makes him a member of the "political class". Railing against money in politics doesn't exclude him from being a member of the political class.





He's like a lone wolf Chicago cop who wants cops held accountable and wearing body cams or a mlb player railing against PEDs who wants blood testing.

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 Post subject: Re: Dem Debate
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Because it's a point that needs to be raised. Bernie has brought more attention to the need for Campaign finance reform than any candidate I can remember. And, IMO, it's probably the single most important issue there is because it affects how we address (or dont address) every other issue. I think most people agree it needs to be fixed. Don't you?
Ultimately, the people still decide, and they almost always make the right choice. If people really didn't want Hillary she'd lose especially with the "promises" that Bernie is making.

To be honest, if corporations couldn't contribute I think things would be roughly the same.

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