It was said in an obvious political context in which men are also called whores, so the answer to your question is the truth.

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I saw an interesting question over the weekend.

Does a vote for Bernie mean that you think that Obama was a bad President? I mean, it clearly was in 2008 when Obama ran on his "change" platform and Bernie is far more out there in terms of change.

In my opinion, it has to be. You can't say everything sucks and Washington is broken and not be at least somewhat talking about the guy who was there for the past 8 years in the chair you want to take.

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Mutually exclusive in the eyes of Bernie/Obama supporters .

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Can it be though?

I mean, Bernie isn't running on a campaign of "Republicans suck". He's also running on a campaign of "Hillary sucks". A lot of the charges against Hillary are also true of Obama.

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I agree and it's but another of the reasons that Sanders and his "revolution" is a joke. You can't be an agent of "change" or leader of the "revolution" yet give Obama a pass. Libya was Obama's and not Hillary's policy. Obama also received more in Wall Street contributions than anyone. Obama also was the President that bailed out the banks. Sanders has barely mentioned this and the primary reason is due to political calculation. He doesn't want to alienate Obama supporters. It's obvious. If his candidacy were truly the movement he claims it to be then he'd go hard at Obama. The policies that he criticizes are Obama policies.

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No offense but I don't think the question is interesting at all. Every candidate, including those from the same party as the incumbent president, is going to focus on what's wrong and how they're the best to fix it. If they're from the same party as the sitting president they'll qualify a bit by saying "we've made progress, but...". In other words, no candidate is going to say " the last eight years were awesome, and I promise eight more of the same!"

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Bush started the bail-out process. Obama was more or less stuck in that policy. What is the point in going "hard" against Obama. Republicans already call him the worst president ever. Sanders is not criticizing Obama policies either. Most of the system was in place before he was in office.

His political revolution is simply getting people to participate.

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he intro'd Run the Jewels at Coachella on Saturday

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/bernie-san ... ics-video/

The point of going hard at Obama would demonstrate that he is truly being revolutionary, since these were after all Obama's policies. He keeps talking about changing a system that Obama has been the leader of for the past 7 yrs. Sanders is merely playing politics by continuing to duck Obama.

Also there is nothing revolutionary in adding people to the process. Revolution pertains to change in government structure not increased voter turnout.

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You are arguing for your definition of revolution over his. It's essentially a meaningless critique.

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His revolutionary movement would have more credibility if he made Obama part of his assessment. He hasn't and it's obvious as to why he has yet to do so.

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it's not my critique. It's pretty much a universally accepted definition of the term.

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Well, Hillary kind of is. The point is though that the attacks on Hillary are almost all true of Obama and he is running on a campaign that basically says "Everything sucks right now and we need to change it all".

I understand that candidates can all say what they would do better but Bernie's campaign is literally about changing pretty much everything. That isn't a reflection at all from his views on the current President?

You can't choose to be the "revolution" candidate but then go back to "Well, all politicians simply say this".

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He should take pot shots at the current president, whom he is not running against? The Republicans do this endlessly. Why pile on? You criticize Sanders for not being realistic in passing his agenda. So why alienate potential voters and allies?

He is calling for a ballot box revolution ala the New Deal. He calls telling the truth revolutionary. It's having it both ways if you criticize him for not being revolutionary enough, and for not being able to realistically pass his agenda.

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Sanders is attacking the whole system and saying the whole system is broken. I guess that doesn't include the President though.

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I'll give Clinton credit for being more or less principled on her health care stand. She's been very clear that Obamacare is a big achievement for her party and that as president she'd represent more of the same on that end. However, possibly under pressure from Sanders, she's had to concede a lot of her rival's talking points on wall street, campaign finance reform, and criminal justice reform. So it's not like she is immune from implicitly saying Obama hasn't done enough. I do think, as you suggest, that Sanders' platform is more of an implicit attack on Obama than Hillary's platform, but again let's remember that Hillary, like anyone else, panders to specific audiences, and parts of her audience hold favorable views of Obama so she's going to emphasize continuity. I think Sanders avoids direct criticism of Obama for political reasons and, as ruffcorn mentions, because in the end he's not running against Obama anyway.

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But you agree that a vote for Bernie is a vote against Obama right?

I don't see how it couldn't be viewed as a referendum on Obama given just how horrible the country currently is according to Bernie supporters.

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Obama is not running. I am not sure how saying we can do better than this means everything is horrible and that the last administration is a failure. For that see the Republican candidates who literally say Obama was actively working to weaken America.

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His attacks on Hillary are almost all things you can say about Obama, including things that Hillary did while literally working for Obama.

I'm not sure how else it can be taken. Do we honestly think that Bernie thinks Obama was a good President? If so, then why would he be attacking Hillary on so many parallel issues?

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His biggest attacks on Hilary in the last debate were:

1. She voted for the Iraq war.
2. She made speeches to the banks that she received millions for, and she refuses to release the transcripts.
3. She takes a hard line with Israel against Palenstine

None of those have to do with Obama. Sanders has stated that he wants to go further on Obama's policies. Not to rescind them. That's the Republican argument.

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Well, Obama couldn't vote for the Iraq War. Obama has a ton of funding from the banks too. Obama has been pretty friendly with Israel too.


This is just false. He wants Obamacare, Obama's signature legislation, gone. Hillary gets attacked for a ton of things she did while working for Obama.

You just can't easily separate Obama and Clinton at this point even if it inconvenient for a guy who says Washington is broken.

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Rick, is there a long history of Presidential candidates ripping the incumbent from their own party during elections or are you looking for Bernie to be the first?

I'm not saying he should be. I'm saying that he is with most of his critiques of Hillary.

I wouldn't if I was him either though but that is a decidedly political move which is something he tries to portray himself as being above.

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Sanders said that he would nominate someone other than Garland for the Supreme Court. You can't say Sanders is not being realistic then also hit him for not fighting an a useless political battle against an exiting president.

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Gap is closing and NY will make or break him.


http://www.inquisitr.com/3007504/bernie ... k-primary/

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This. With some, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. If he does occasional things that are politically expedient, then he is a phony hypocrite. If he speaks what he believes and doesn't mince words about Democrats, then he's just a laughable protest candidate who isn't trying to win.

There are even several here who say they would vote for him if they believed he was genuinely trying to lead a revolution while simultaneously criticizing him when he disagrees with the president or doesn't toe the party line.

He's not going to win the nomination, anyway, but I'm very pleased with most of the messages he was able to bring to the national discussion... and the way he was able to fund his campaign is certainly encouraging for elections moving forward.

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Well, I'm not calling him either.

Just pointing out that Sanders is running a campaign where a vote for him is a big vote against the Presidency of Obama. He just smartly won't come out and say that but it is undeniably true.

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Sanders is pretty much running against the ideas and policies of every U.S. president since LBJ.

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The problems in this country, especially the ones Bernie seems to focus on, go back way further than the last 8 years. Reagan and Clinton would be the two biggest Bernie offenders.

Bernie's ideas and President Obama's are not that different.

It's more of a "well maybe THIS guy can get some of this stuff done that Obama couldnt"

So it may be a vote against Obama's record as POTUS but definitely not ideologically.