I (like many of you) have consumed way too much coverage of the primary season. The WSJ has a lot of coverage on Sanders today. In their A5 article, what is prominent and important to me is the high level of negative ratings for both front runners- Clinton (56%) and Trump (65%). Obviously we all know that just by talking to friends and family. I am sure you have all encountered people who say, "how could you vote for him or her?"

We had over 20 candidates running for President this season, a higher number than I can ever remember. And yet it seems we are going to end up with two of the most disliked individuals with an outside shot that a complete dbag, Ted Cruz, might be there instead of Trump.

Sad.

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Really?

So after all this time, Bernie Sanders is basically just Obama 2.0?

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Im not sure what after all this time means

There are differences in how they rose to challenge for the Presidency but both seem to have a Robin Hood type view of our class system.

Wrong. Richard Nixon, correctly dubbed by Chris Matthews as the "last liberal President", provided much in the way of social programs and also was known to rail against corporations. He also is regarded as the person responsible for ending Vietnam. Nixon was a supporter of welfare programs. He believed that it was the responsibility of govt to help poor people. He had some other quirks that turned people off, but he was pretty genuine in terms of supporting the poor. Its one of the reasons that Reaganites detested him so.

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She is really such a twat.

Please dont tell me the smarter President is the better President, because thats not correct. Being president is not about the smartest guy in the room, its about knowing who is the smartest guy in the room and getting him on your team.

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Wrong. The rich have gotten richer under Obama and some of it has to do with policies that he enacted. He basically provided the banks with a bailout in which they didn't have to pay interest upon the loan provided by the Fed. They in turn loaned out the borrowed money, charged huge amounts of interest and made money off the interest.

Even Obamacare is a bill that is supposed to provide a boon for insurance companies.

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What?

I can't tell if you are being serious or trolling with your Obama comments on this page. President Obama and Bernie Sanders are very different ideologically, and Obama's presidency has been decidedly harmful to Americans living in poverty, not beneficial.

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I said ideologically. He has certainly failed in closing the income gap

That's like saying I failed to become a professional baseball player. You usually have to try at something to fail at it.

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You said they aren't that different.

Obama and Hillary are not that different. Are Hillary and Bernie not that different too?

Is Obama more similar to Hillary or Bernie?

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What makes him a laughable protest candidate isn't that he doesn't want to win. What makes him a laughable protest candidate is that it is obvious that he really doesn't understand policy. Those speeches that he provides on the stump can be provided by your typical debate team member from Whitney Young, North Side Prep, Payton, or Jones. Shout out to the Public League. There isn't any substance to them. Same stump speech over and over again. He has basically admitted to being ignorant of foreign policy. How can you accept that in a person that has been in Congress for over 25 years. Shouldn't it have behooved him to "brush" up on his foreign policy? especially if he knew that he was going to run for President.

Hillary Clinton has been a student of these issues for over 25 years. It is obvious that she is light years ahead of Sanders. As stated before, it is quite telling that Sanders has only recently received his first Senatorial endorsement. Shouldn't a guy that has been a member of Congress for the better part of 25 years have been able to find more than one person willing to go on the record and say that he is qualified to be President?

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Yes, Nixon occupied some liberal political positions by necessity. But he also built much of his career around destroying the left, launching the "war on crime," and pursuing militarist foreign policies that are antithetical to Sanders' views. He tolerated liberals so he could destroy radicals, thereby setting the stage for the ensuing neoliberal era.

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This. With some, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. If he does occasional things that are politically expedient, then he is a phony hypocrite. If he speaks what he believes and doesn't mince words about Democrats, then he's just a laughable protest candidate who isn't trying to win.

There are even several here who say they would vote for him if they believed he was genuinely trying to lead a revolution while simultaneously criticizing him when he disagrees with the president or doesn't toe the party line.

He's not going to win the nomination, anyway, but I'm very pleased with most of the messages he was able to bring to the national discussion... and the way he was able to fund his campaign is certainly encouraging for elections moving forward.[/quote]



What makes him a laughable protest candidate isn't that he doesn't want to win. What makes him a laughable protest candidate is that it is obvious that he really doesn't understand policy. Those speeches that he provides on the stump can be provided by your typical debate team member from Whitney Young, North Side Prep, Payton, or Jones. Shout out to the Public League. There isn't any substance to them. Same stump speech over and over again. He has basically admitted to being ignorant of foreign policy. How can you accept that in a person that has been in Congress for over 25 years. Shouldn't it have behooved him to "brush" up on his foreign policy? especially if he knew that he was going to run for President.

Hillary Clinton has been a student of these issues for over 25 years. It is obvious that she is light years ahead of Sanders. As stated before, it is quite telling that Sanders has only recently received his first Senatorial endorsement. Shouldn't a guy that has been a member of Congress for the better part of 25 years have been able to find more than one person willing to go on the record and say that he is qualified to be President?[/quote]













Again! Man, think of Bernie as a rouge Chicago cop running against established cops, his platform is police corruption, body cameras and accountability.. You'd think more cops would back him ??

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I will defer to your expertise on redundancy.

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Like Reason says... Run, Bernie, Run!

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She's not even up 244 delegates, more bullshit media propaganda.



http://www.inquisitr.com/3007504/bernie ... k-primary/

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Who's running this shitshow? Boilermaker Rick?


http://www.npr.org/2016/04/19/474896027 ... -for-actio

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False alarm. Looks like Hillary won.

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Hawks melt down and basically end their season, Bernie gets blown out in his own state. This is the worst night I've had in ages.

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No you won't. You will simply adhere to your rather fallacious form of argument. I haven't really said anything about Sanders and his stump speeches. Rather than address the validity of the argument, you choose to resort to the tried and true method of dissing me. If anything is redundant, that'd be it. You can never quite wrong as long as you stick to that playbook, can you?

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long time guy's posts are dispatches from the barbershop of hell.

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Only if said barbershop provides one with (crew) cuts!

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Tomorrow's Thursday, right?

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Not a mult.

Correct, their ideas and goals are not that different.

As far as who is more like who, it depends what you're talking about. That's too broad of a question.

I get what RPB I'd saying and I somewhat agree.

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The whole point that it is general.

I'm the same as Bernie Sanders if you only look at his support of the minimum wage. As a whole, we have much different outlooks on how the world should work.

By the way, the answer is clearly that Hillary and Obama are much closer than Bernie and Obama. It's hard to make an actual case with policies that says otherwise. If Obama and Bernie are basically the same then what the hell was this supposed "political revolution"?

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Maybe not with all of their policies but their message was very similar. Only difference is Obama hadn't been in Washington for 3 decades.

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That's a pretty big stretch. I guess Trump and Obama are similar then too.

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Right. Just compare them as humans. Got it.


You are becoming like Dan Bernstein with the whole applying something you heard elsewhere (people on Twitter?) to everyone. I certainly never said it was a political revolution and I dont even support Sanders.

Here is a breakdown of all 3. They are all similar. Bernie is an outlier on defense and Obama on Domestic but all generally the same ideas.

http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/compare/1-35-40/Barack-Obama-vs-Bernie-Sanders-vs-Hillary-Clinton

Their message is. President Obama didn't go full blown conman though.

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