https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfO1veFs6Ho

College kids make great points on gender identity.

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"I feel like that's not my place, as a human, to say that someone is wrong, or draw lines or boundaries"

We. Are. Fucked.

Water Closets. Don't make Human Beings think too hard about it. It's a place where piss and shit goes and everyone can use it.

That said, here is an interesting video about gender identity issues, and sex changes not being addressed for what they are. The rates of people feeling they made a mistake after gender reassignment surgeries is very high. Psychologists have been arguing it is a psychological issue for awhile now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDAU3SPYFsA

This guy's videos are very well done and while they might seem challenging to belief systems at first, they are ultimately backed by fact and numbers, or commonly held yet underreported professional opinion, by the end of the video. As is the case with this one. This is an educated human being destroying the intellectually devoid, popular movements of the moment.


If you want a real challenge, try watching this video about how women destroy civilizations. I was browsing YT and came across it at my mother's house. We watched it together and a woman who burned her bra decades ago, came away unable to explain away his valid points. It's a hell of a thing and somewhat cringey at first but by the end it makes perfect sense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxpVwBzFAkw

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But really, if a male, outwardly "presenting" as male (how do you "present" as one gender or the other without having definite stereotypical constructs of what males and females dress like?) were to use the women's bathroom with no groping, no rape, no attempted assault or other creepiness, just, went into the ladies' room and took a huge shit, washed his hands, and left....what would happen? Would the cops get called, would they charge him, and if so, with what?

And they have been shouted down as bigots for just as long, despite the studies "proving" gender dysphoria as a structural brain problem (brain parts matching the sex opposite of your sex organs) being rife with doubt and bad science. The hallmark study, Zhou et al., studied MTF transgendered people and found that a structure in their brain responsible for sex and anxiety was much closer to female than male norms. The kicker? ALL of the MTF transgendered people in that study had undergone complete courses of HRT, which has been shown to change that specific brain structure in that specific way.

Personally, I wouldn't care if all bathrooms were gender neutral. But there are plenty of women who are uncomfortable with having men in a restroom with them despite the fact the men may believe they are something else. And I guarantee the number of women who are uncomfortable with that situation is far larger than the number of transgendered individuals. Should society make accommodations for a small group of people at the expense of a larger group?

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Of course, if it's the right/moral thing to do. We do this all the time as a society.

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I agree. Let's learn to treat gender dysphoria with therapy and/or medication instead of expensive surgery that results in agonizingly depressed patients and a larger society that doesn't know whether they will be comfortable in the next bathroom they walk into.

Let people do what they want to do. A man wanting to turn into a woman is pretty fucking weird, but so is putting mayo on a burger. Who gives a shit? It's weird how many people are this worked up over an issue that affects like .1% of the population.

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Let me rephrase that. I realize that some accommodations for smaller groups make sense. Take disabled people, for example. some accommodations might cause a slight inconvenience for an able-bodied person, e.g. handicapped parking. That's not a tough choice for us to make as a society. You and I can walk a few extra steps to provide great convenience to a person who can't. But this case is different in that we're going to ask one group or another to feel the same type of discomfort based upon which restroom we ask them to use. Personally, I'd go with accommodating the larger group.

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You're making my point here. I guarantee the people that would be discomfited by a person of the opposite sex in their restroom is far greater than that .1%, yet we're going to jump through all kinds of hoops to favor the .1% over the much larger group. Why not just let the .1% be uncomfortable instead? And probably not even all of that .1% would be.

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Don't paint the bowl. Courtesy flush. You are cool by good dolphin standards

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I'd be careful with that, though. In certain areas of Mississippi, Alabama, and Wrigleyville you might have a larger percentage of people that feel discomfort eating at a same restaurant as a black person than you have percentage of black people themselves in that area. You still would want to make sure every restaurant/merchant in town would serve any black people, correct? I realize it's not a perfect analogy at all, since there is some level of choice involved in becoming a transgender person, but I think we have to be extremely cautious with any logic that uses "majority rules".

Plus, like I said in my above post, this is a really dumb "political" issue. I don't really take anyone's discomfort in a public restroom because a trans person is there too seriously. It's a public restroom. It's intended purpose is not comfort. Go in, shit or piss, clean up, get out. What is the issue here?

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I'm gonna guess things are much more pleasant in the ladies' room.

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That's the rub, though. Where does "man" become "woman"? If we start blurring the line between what constitutes the two, we also inevitably blur the line where the two are delineated and differentiated. How do we define "man" and "woman", and if we use a special definition here, then why not there? Is it mere "identity" or biological sex, or something more? Can someone that "identifies" as a woman play on the women's badminton team? If not, then why could that same someone walk into any restaurant or bar and expect to use the women's bathroom?

And yes, there is an element of personal comfort to it, because this sort of thing (needing special dispensation to use a bathroom) isn't a problem for 98-99% of the population, but the accommodation for that fleeting percentage of trans people impacts the entirety of the 98%, who just want to feel comfortable in a very vulnerable space. I don't begrudge any man or woman that is put off by the mere idea of someone of the opposite "sex" but same "identity" using the same facilities as them, when and where they are pretty vulnerable.

Like I said, it doesn't matter to me. But I'm guessing if you and I decided we were really women tomorrow there would be a lot of actual women who wouldn't feel comfortable with us in their bathroom. Do their feelings count less than the .1% who feel they were born in the wrong body?

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This guy will be joining your daughter in the womens bathroom because he says he is a female, while you sit outside the bathroom and wait for her screams because judging him would be wrong.

I didnt hear any good points.

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This is just stupid fear mongering. I don't see any good points here either.

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For the most part and in nicer places. In not so nice places women pee all over the seats because they don't sit and sometimes there is blood. It's not great. I would be uncomfortable with a man in the bathroom even if he didn't think he was one.

Sometimes fear is the correct response.

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Although, it does highlight them in an way. Maybe if you're a good one or use the one you most look like. I don't know the answer.

Women do a lot more than shit and piss in the bathroom. All sorts of adjusting goes on in there and sometimes undressing/dressing too.

this is the stupidest shit I have ever heard

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I'm out.

Your daughter is in the bathroom at Target and see that guy walk in, please dont tell me you dont do anything. (you have a daughter?)

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

I wouldn't care as long as he identifies as a harmless 7 year old Asian girl.

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What about locker rooms?

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Worst sequel of all time.

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He doesn't look like a trans, he looks weird. So yeah I'm going in. I don't know if I'd be more comfortable with somebody like this either though.



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