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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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I certainly never said it was a political revolution and I dont even support Sanders.
Bernie said it was a political revolution. :lol:

And you spent a lot of time on Bernie for a guy you don't support, but at this point it doesn't matter. The guy you wanted to lose, and the guy I wanted to lose, lost.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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This truly is a victory for the democratic process. Bernie Sanders is now vowing to try and flip the super delegates if he gets to the end of the primaries and Hillary doesn't have enough in her pledged delegate count to secure the nomination.

This is the same guy that was not that long ago complaining about the legitimacy of super delegates. Now he is going to beg for their support? His rather flimsy argument centers on poll numbers which show that he does slightly better against Trump.

Mind you Hillary will have amassed over 3 million more votes than Sanders by the time it's over. She also has the endorsement of 40 Senators while he has 1. Her delegate (pledged) lead will be over 300 by that point but that won't matter to Sanders.

The irony of the guy that leads the revolution and has fought the establishment now going hat and hand begging for their support. Is there no dignity.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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He also refuses to raise money for them too. At this point it may be safe to assume that he wants Trump or Cruz to win.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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I certainly never said it was a political revolution and I dont even support Sanders.
Bernie said it was a political revolution. :lol:

And you spent a lot of time on Bernie for a guy you don't support, but at this point it doesn't matter. The guy you wanted to lose, and the guy I wanted to lose, lost.


Sanders has been very clear on what he thinks a revolution means: it is when people who do not like the current campaign finance system, who feel corporate tycoons and hedge fund managers violate countless laws with impunity, who believe that loopholes and other factors allow corporations to stash enormous amounts of taxable profits in offshore locations, depriving the country of needed revenue in the process, not to mention forcing the responsibility of replacing lost revenues on everyone else, go out in extraordinary numbers and simply vote anyone complicit in these types of actitivies out of office. No more no less. Obviously there will be disagreements on whether or not these activities are necessarily a "bad thing," and/or if the diagnosis is correct, but that's what the "revolution" for him meant.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I certainly never said it was a political revolution and I dont even support Sanders.
Bernie said it was a political revolution. :lol:

And you spent a lot of time on Bernie for a guy you don't support, but at this point it doesn't matter. The guy you wanted to lose, and the guy I wanted to lose, lost.


Sanders has been very clear on what he thinks a revolution means: it is when people who do not like the current campaign finance system, who feel corporate tycoons and hedge fund managers violate countless laws with impunity, who believe that loopholes and other factors allow corporations to stash enormous amounts of taxable profits in offshore locations, depriving the country of needed revenue in the process, not to mention forcing the responsibility of replacing lost revenues on everyone else, go out in extraordinary numbers and simply vote anyone complicit in these types of actitivies out of office. No more no less. Obviously there will be disagreements on whether or not these activities are necessarily a "bad thing," and/or if the diagnosis is correct, but that's what the "revolution" for him meant.
And Obama fought against those things how?

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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rogers park bryan wrote:
I certainly never said it was a political revolution and I dont even support Sanders.
Bernie said it was a political revolution. :lol:

And you spent a lot of time on Bernie for a guy you don't support, but at this point it doesn't matter. The guy you wanted to lose, and the guy I wanted to lose, lost.


Sanders has been very clear on what he thinks a revolution means: it is when people who do not like the current campaign finance system, who feel corporate tycoons and hedge fund managers violate countless laws with impunity, who believe that loopholes and other factors allow corporations to stash enormous amounts of taxable profits in offshore locations, depriving the country of needed revenue in the process, not to mention forcing the responsibility of replacing lost revenues on everyone else, go out in extraordinary numbers and simply vote anyone complicit in these types of actitivies out of office. No more no less. Obviously there will be disagreements on whether or not these activities are necessarily a "bad thing," and/or if the diagnosis is correct, but that's what the "revolution" for him meant.
And Obama fought against those things how?


When he was running.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Hillary is running on Obama's policies and Bernie is trying to run a similar version of Obama's 2008 campaign. It's difficult to do when you've been in Washington for 3 decades and the current president is from your party.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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She is playing from the old political playbook. Play to the base during the primaries, and run to the center during the general.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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She is playing from the old political playbook. Play to the base during the primaries, and run to the center during the general.



Easy for her to do especially when she knows she will have cover from the media. She will not be called on it and will be protected during general election debates.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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She is playing from the old political playbook. Play to the base during the primaries, and run to the center during the general.


Yeah. Last time around she tried to run to the center immediately and Obama caught her sleeping and knocked her out. She knew Edwards affair would kill him but thought a black man with the name Barack Hussein Obama couldn't win.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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She is playing from the old political playbook. Play to the base during the primaries, and run to the center during the general.



Easy for her to do especially when she knows she will have cover from the media. She will not be called on it and will be protected during general election debates.


This is COMPLETELY wrong. Old female reporters may be the ONLY people in the media who love Hillary. Everyone else virtually roots for her opponents.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:30 am 
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She is playing from the old political playbook. Play to the base during the primaries, and run to the center during the general.



Easy for her to do especially when she knows she will have cover from the media. She will not be called on it and will be protected during general election debates.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Nas wrote:
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She is playing from the old political playbook. Play to the base during the primaries, and run to the center during the general.



Easy for her to do especially when she knows she will have cover from the media. She will not be called on it and will be protected during general election debates.


This is COMPLETELY wrong. Old female reporters may be the ONLY people in the media who love Hillary. Everyone else virtually roots for her opponents.


She is constantly covered for. . Her major accomplishment has been that she was the president's wife and is famous. This got her a job in the Senate, and later a high profile appointment. Her gender has been used to her advantage.

Anyone else with the number of scandals and gaffes associated with her would not be treated as a serious candidate.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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I certainly never said it was a political revolution and I dont even support Sanders.
Bernie said it was a political revolution. :lol:

Ok, well I guess take it up with him or someone who is actively supporting him? You're arguing with no one.

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And you spent a lot of time on Bernie for a guy you don't support, but at this point it doesn't matter. The guy you wanted to lose, and the guy I wanted to lose, lost.

I like Bernie, just not for President. And a lot of people exaggerate things about him and I discuss it. His ideas are important. Im more into the issues he wants to address than him as a candidate.


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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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She is playing from the old political playbook. Play to the base during the primaries, and run to the center during the general.



Easy for her to do especially when she knows she will have cover from the media. She will not be called on it and will be protected during general election debates.


This is COMPLETELY wrong. Old female reporters may be the ONLY people in the media who love Hillary. Everyone else virtually roots for her opponents.


She is constantly covered for. . Her major accomplishment has been that she was the president's wife and is famous. This got her a job in the Senate, and later a high profile appointment. Her gender has been used to her advantage.

Anyone else with the number of scandals and gaffes associated with her would not be treated as a serious candidate.


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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Glad you agree. You are not alone.

Her numbers have gone from terrible to historic and disqualifying.


Her terrible numbers for months have been masked because we have the one candidate in modern history who has worse numbers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... rc=nl_draw

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Ok, well I guess take it up with him or someone who is actively supporting him? You're arguing with no one.
Didn't you start the discussion with me?

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Glad you agree. You are not alone.

Her numbers have gone from terrible to historic and disqualifying.


Her terrible numbers for months have been masked because we have the one candidate in modern history who has worse numbers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... rc=nl_draw


You know what poll numbers matter? The election day results. The same people polled are the same people voting for her. Bernie Sanders still hasn't been vetted. Even President Obama had been vetted by now.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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You know what poll numbers matter? The election day results. The same people polled are the same people voting for her. Bernie Sanders still hasn't been vetted. Even President Obama had been vetted by now.


He have been in public office for 30 years and he has not been vetted. That's ridiculous. You assume Sanders of doing this to cash out when the Clintons have made 100 million.

Hilary is disaster ethically. Look for more wars and more Wall Street crashes. She has hid behind her gender. http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/18/ ... nder-card/

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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We still don't know anything about Bernie. To many he is blank canvas. I know Hillary's grandchild's name and a bunch of other shit that really shouldn't matter. I still haven't seen Bernie's tax returns let alone things about his personal life.

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We still don't know anything about Bernie. To many he is blank canvas. I know Hillary's grandchild's name and a bunch of other shit that really shouldn't matter. I still haven't seen Bernie's tax returns let alone things about his personal life.


I bet you even know Hillary's bra size.

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We still don't know anything about Bernie. To many he is blank canvas. I know Hillary's grandchild's name and a bunch of other shit that really shouldn't matter. I still haven't seen Bernie's tax returns let alone things about his personal life.


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We still don't know anything about Bernie. To many he is blank canvas. I know Hillary's grandchild's name and a bunch of other shit that really shouldn't matter. I still haven't seen Bernie's tax returns let alone things about his personal life.


The returns were released. I am assuming the rest is a joke.

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We still don't know anything about Bernie. To many he is blank canvas. I know Hillary's grandchild's name and a bunch of other shit that really shouldn't matter. I still haven't seen Bernie's tax returns let alone things about his personal life.


I bet you even know Hillary's bra size.


I wish I did. She was kinda hot when she was younger.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernie Sanders
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Same stump speech over and over again.


I will defer to your expertise on redundancy.


No you won't. You will simply adhere to your rather fallacious form of argument. I haven't really said anything about Sanders and his stump speeches. Rather than address the validity of the argument, you choose to resort to the tried and true method of dissing me. If anything is redundant, that'd be it. You can never quite wrong as long as you stick to that playbook, can you?


You are only correct in that I try not to engage you. If I may be direct, I find your thoughts on most things to be redundant, cherry-picked, and often irrelevant. You speak as an authority on any topic you discuss, and you are more self-congratulatory over meaningless predictions than anyone here.

A good example of this would be your insistence on bringing up Hillary's lead in overall votes when no one here is even arguing that. On the contrary, pretty much all Sanders defenders have conceded that he lost... and yet you repeatedly pound your chest about how she is kicking his ass and incinuating that all Sanders supporters are out of touch with reality.

Keep in mind that I engage both Nas, who I'm not even sure is serious and Rick, who is an irritant but is at least usually interesting or varied in his approach. That's because the point here is to engage in conversation and, frequently, argue very intensely over topics. Instead, you choose to write disjointed novels (irony with this post, I know) that rarely address anyone else's opinion and instead talk as though you are some sort of enlightened soul sent to set us plebes straight.

So, no, I won't be arguing with you in your weird, long-form debates (again, irony) when you show no interest in even having a conversation or showing the least bit of humility or self-awareness.

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We still don't know anything about Bernie. To many he is blank canvas. I know Hillary's grandchild's name and a bunch of other shit that really shouldn't matter. I still haven't seen Bernie's tax returns let alone things about his personal life.


The returns were released. I am assuming the rest is a joke.


He released 1 year. He knew he was running for president. Besides he's double dipping off of the government.

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We still don't know anything about Bernie. To many he is blank canvas. I know Hillary's grandchild's name and a bunch of other shit that really shouldn't matter. I still haven't seen Bernie's tax returns let alone things about his personal life.


The returns were released. I am assuming the rest is a joke.


He released 1 year. He knew he was running for president. Besides he's double dipping off of the government.


I don't know why seeing a politician's tax returns is even important. If he is doing something illegal, then that is for the IRS to deal with. Does it really matter if he makes nothing or $10,0000,000 per year? He/she is either a qualified candidate with good ideas and the appearance of competence or he/she is one of the choices we have in 2016. :wink:

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We still don't know anything about Bernie. To many he is blank canvas. I know Hillary's grandchild's name and a bunch of other shit that really shouldn't matter. I still haven't seen Bernie's tax returns let alone things about his personal life.


The returns were released. I am assuming the rest is a joke.


He released 1 year. He knew he was running for president. Besides he's double dipping off of the government.


I don't know why seeing a politician's tax returns is even important. If he is doing something illegal, then that is for the IRS to deal with. Does it really matter if he makes nothing or $10,0000,000 per year? He/she is either a qualified candidate with good ideas and the appearance of competence or he/she is one of the choices we have in 2016. :wink:


I think it's important to see what a guy that complains about the wealth of others has done. He demands transparency but only releases the return from the year he knew he was running for president.

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