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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

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Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Wow, I had no idea you were so compassionate and concerned about trans people's mental health! Good thing you know better then they do about all this.

I mean im sure you only want what's best for them because you truly care how they feel.

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If someone is going to sexually assault someone in a public bathroom a sign on the door saying "no trans allowed" isn't going to prevent shit.

If the presence of an ugly looking woman is going to offend a child tell them to grow a pair and stop acting like a little pearl clutching bitch.

The only reason a kid wound find this uncomfortable is if someone tells them to be uncomfortable. A kid has no fucking idea what a trans person is, they just want to do their business and go back to watching Frozen on their ipad for the thousandth time.

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very judgmental about the cider drinkers of the board.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

It's very simple. The Men's room is where the dicks hang out.

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I'm pretty sure that's not my quote. I'm comfortable pissing anywhere next to anyone. I just don't think a person is evil or bigoted for preferring to share a toilet only with actual members of his/her own sex.

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Freedom is our Strength.

If the quote function were the Bar exam, good dolphin would only be at a firm after hours, with a bucket and mop.

The issue here are "feelings". I feel like this or I feel like that. Couldn't governments simply make the rule that until you change the actual plumbing you are what your plumbing says you are? I am not necessarily for that I am just wondering if that should be the simplest legal solution.

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I don't think we should be allowed to impose any rules on anyone for any reason.

Piss in the streets. I won't judge.

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You know me like that.

I'm a logical person so I feel nagged by inconsistency, especially when it comes to laws or social mores. For example, we're supposed to be appalled when a young woman gives birth to an unwanted child and throws it in the garbage can, but if a doctor pulls it out a few days earlier and disposes of it himself, that's "choice". A man can be branded a sex offender for taking a piss behind a tree in the far corner of a park if a ten year old girl happens to see him, but now we're supposed to be angry about a law that prevents him from doing the same thing right next to her in a public restroom.

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Freedom is our Strength.

and what about the whole masturbation on an airplane thing

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Is the answer masturbation has a pass for his sex addiction problem under the ADA?

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Elections have consequences.

That wouldn't happen if we insisted on proper attire while flying. But when you're wearing pajamas and shower shoes masturbating feels like the most natural thing in the world.

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Freedom is our Strength.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

especially when you're feeling damn sexy in them.

I just read the article on this case. It seems the school in question was in the wrong not for making "him" use the girls room rather than the boys room with which he identified. They provided a unisex bathroom and that also was not seen as accommodating enough.

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Elections have consequences.

A young girl would be uncomfortable to terribly afraid if the person pictured above walked into a restroom with them.

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Gender dysphoria (gender identity disorder) absolutely screams "psychological disorder" but, in part due to the continued stigmatization of psychological disorders, society really, really, wants GID to be a "condition" caused by biological influences, specifically brain structure, with the "cure" being hormone therapy and a series of major surgeries.

The problem is, that post-op trans people have a higher suicide and morbidity rate than the rest of the population. It seems odd that the "cure" for GID still results in an increased morbidity and suicide rate, and it becomes downright peculiar when we consider the Vanderbilt study that showed 70-80% of children having GID-esque "feelings", without any therapy or surgery to "confirm" their feelings, spontaneously lost those feelings later in life, as well as the fact that the science substantiating GID as an issue of brain structure is completely faulty.

So yes, I am concerned for the well-being of people suffering from GID, as it appears they've been sold a cure-all elixir of expensive surgeries and hormone regiments to spare them from being told their perception of themselves with respect to their bodies and society is just wrong, and needs to be corrected (like anorexia or bulimia nervosa). What's more, to spare these people the "indignities" of (gasp!) having to deal with going to therapy or taking medication, laws are now being passed to keep parents from exploring psychiatric solutions to the GID problem, and society at large--from the teeming masses down to a single person--will have to make corrections and sacrifices in comfort in a system (the binary gender bathroom system) that has served us pretty well for at least a half-century.

Why?

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Seriously?

Because a man would be in a women's bathroom.

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"The only reason a teen would find statutory rape traumatizing is if someone tells them to be traumatized. A teen has no fucking idea what a sexual predator is, nor a concept of why they lack the ability to consent, they just want to go back to posting to Snapchat for the thousandth time."

Just because someone lacks the ability to articulate and unpack such a complex notion of "I felt uncomfortable exposing my private areas around a strange person that sounds and kind of looks like my dad" doesn't mean they are precluded from being impacted, positively or negatively, by it.

Clearly it offends you but why would that offend a little girl?

There was once a glorious thread spanning hundreds of pages dedicated to people taking offense at a Score personality taking offense on the behalf of other people. Seems like you're doing the same thing she was excoriated for doing.

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For your analogy to work you have to assume that trans people are equivalent to sexual predators. Try again.

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Every time I see the title on active topics it immediately makes me think of the old Onion "Drunken Man Makes Interesting Point About Society" http://www.theonion.com/article/drunken ... iety-20805

See, that's the faulty logic of the SJW: "an analogy is a strict 1:1 comparison of the worst things I can interpret out of it".

The analogy works just fine because the logic behind it is this: a child can be impacted by the presence of a male-leaning, female-presenting transgendered individual without having the ability to articulate their discomfort, even without outright feeling discomfort at first blush, just as a teenaged statutory rape victim can come away from the rape feeling as though they had consensual sex with a loving partner, displaying no overt signs of trauma, but be traumatized by the event later on.

You're the one making the comparison! You're saying there is a negative impact. It may not be equivalent to the trauma that the victim of statutory rape feels, but trauma nonetheless.

Ok, so how traumatic is it? Is seeing a person that looks like a man in a public restroom more or less traumatic than seeing a woman in that same bathroom with a horrifyingly disfigured face?

You're positing there is a harm. How harmful is it and why?

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You completely missed his point. Both things are simply social standards. They aren't absolute unquestionable morals. The entire issue is about how people feel in a situation. People's feelings are largely based on things they are taught. You and many others want to normalize grown men and teenage girls sharing bathroom facilities. That's fine, but it has never been normal during our lifetimes.

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No, I'm not. I said there might be, and the lack of an ability to articulate such a complex feeling doesn't prohibit the feeling's existence, in response to your original supposition that a child can't feel uncomfortable because they don't understand what transgender is. It was never about painting the presence of a transgender person in the bathroom with an child as abject 100% of the time.

I don't know how likely the feelings are, or how amplified they might be, and even if they are bad. My guess is that there will be, given the same situation, many children asking their parents questions, with some unknown percentage of those children feeling some unknown level of discomfort. Then again, maybe not. Regardless, your idea that children are incapable of feeling uncomfortable because they are children is just absurd.

I said they would be afraid, not offended.

Are you intentionally trying to change what I said?

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